1 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:21,810 [Music] 2 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:25,060 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:34,450 --> 00:00:29,170 standard of paranormal radio now here's 4 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:34,460 Jean Stein sue Chris O'Brien is on 5 00:00:40,119 --> 00:00:37,250 special assignment and I think he's 6 00:00:42,460 --> 00:00:40,129 actually also instructing somebody on 7 00:00:45,970 --> 00:00:42,470 how to become a tour guide of the Grand 8 00:00:47,710 --> 00:00:45,980 Canyon and that keeps him occupied and 9 00:00:50,290 --> 00:00:47,720 as Chris O'Brien explores the Grand 10 00:00:54,100 --> 00:00:50,300 Canyon we're exploring the other side of 11 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:54,110 the pond with Philip mantle he's joining 12 00:01:00,060 --> 00:00:55,610 us and we're gonna talk about what he's 13 00:01:03,790 --> 00:01:00,070 up to about British UFO research and a 14 00:01:06,670 --> 00:01:03,800 author of his publishing company Andrew 15 00:01:08,460 --> 00:01:06,680 Pike's gonna be on the power cast in the 16 00:01:11,140 --> 00:01:08,470 next week or two he's got a new book out 17 00:01:12,430 --> 00:01:11,150 kind of a scientist looking at 18 00:01:12,969 --> 00:01:12,440 Rendlesham we'll ask him about that 19 00:01:19,450 --> 00:01:12,979 later 20 00:01:23,109 --> 00:01:19,460 Philip welcome back to the power cast we 21 00:01:26,260 --> 00:01:23,119 have special guest host kurt collins who 22 00:01:28,179 --> 00:01:26,270 has decided to take another stab at it 23 00:01:30,429 --> 00:01:28,189 you will keep trying to get out of the 24 00:01:32,289 --> 00:01:30,439 UFO field and it never seems to work 25 00:01:34,569 --> 00:01:32,299 well that's right you know I've got 26 00:01:36,340 --> 00:01:34,579 research to do but you know the public 27 00:01:38,469 --> 00:01:36,350 side of it I don't know there's lots of 28 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:38,479 squabbles and things and so you know I 29 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:40,969 do kind of want to avoid those well I 30 00:01:45,459 --> 00:01:42,770 don't want to get heavily into squabbles 31 00:01:47,950 --> 00:01:45,469 but we kind of get forced into it so we 32 00:01:48,580 --> 00:01:47,960 have and I don't know if you follow this 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:48,590 Philip 34 00:01:54,849 --> 00:01:52,130 we have issues regarding was the largest 35 00:01:57,609 --> 00:01:54,859 American UFO research organization MUFON 36 00:02:01,209 --> 00:01:57,619 do you follow any of that stuff at all I 37 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:01,219 was a member of move on many many years 38 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:05,450 ago when Walter Andrews was there in 39 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:09,410 charge but since then you know what I've 40 00:02:14,580 --> 00:02:10,970 not followed what's been happening with 41 00:02:16,870 --> 00:02:14,590 it don't take a lot of notice I'm afraid 42 00:02:20,410 --> 00:02:16,880 well maybe you're better off now what 43 00:02:23,260 --> 00:02:20,420 Andres was running MUFON like decades 44 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:23,270 ago wasn't it yeah Walt was there 45 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:27,890 certainly in the nineties I think and he 46 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:29,690 came and stayed with me at my home here 47 00:02:33,590 --> 00:02:31,530 in the UK and 48 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:33,600 all lecture a couple of times for us and 49 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:38,610 I'd lectured it I think it was in some 50 00:02:49,430 --> 00:02:45,410 shelf in 1996 it was the Carolinas 51 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:49,440 Greensboro is that North Carolina and we 52 00:02:55,729 --> 00:02:51,930 kept him in regular contact until he 53 00:02:57,949 --> 00:02:55,739 retired and you know at that time my 54 00:03:01,010 --> 00:02:57,959 family was growing up a short break from 55 00:03:02,900 --> 00:03:01,020 all things UFOs bit like Kurt's I 56 00:03:06,830 --> 00:03:02,910 couldn't keep out or everything I lasted 57 00:03:09,410 --> 00:03:06,840 a few months but no I don't I don't have 58 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:09,420 any official do things with MUFON and to 59 00:03:15,410 --> 00:03:12,810 all Brau it gets kind of crazy because 60 00:03:17,210 --> 00:03:15,420 they've been organizational issues but 61 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:17,220 there's one thing we are gonna ask you 62 00:03:24,500 --> 00:03:21,290 about which is a matter of concern but 63 00:03:28,910 --> 00:03:24,510 generally in UFO research and I think 64 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:28,920 the consideration here is what happens 65 00:03:33,830 --> 00:03:31,290 to a UFO organization that claims to be 66 00:03:36,229 --> 00:03:33,840 assigned to their organization when it 67 00:03:39,259 --> 00:03:36,239 starts bringing in entertainment related 68 00:03:41,750 --> 00:03:39,269 elements now Kurt you haven't been on 69 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:41,760 the Power casts from much of the time 70 00:03:46,759 --> 00:03:43,769 we've talked about the MUFON Follies 71 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:46,769 you've been following it or would you 72 00:03:51,380 --> 00:03:49,890 rather not well I have fun I have kept 73 00:03:53,630 --> 00:03:51,390 up with things they you know seen the 74 00:03:55,670 --> 00:03:53,640 the controversy over the personalities 75 00:03:57,830 --> 00:03:55,680 and and I heard a lot of complaints 76 00:03:59,780 --> 00:03:57,840 about the topic of their last symposium 77 00:04:03,620 --> 00:03:59,790 about it heavily dealt with the secret 78 00:04:05,479 --> 00:04:03,630 space program and in secret bases on 79 00:04:08,420 --> 00:04:05,489 Mars and things like that just seemed it 80 00:04:12,229 --> 00:04:08,430 seemed very outlandish well this is an 81 00:04:14,810 --> 00:04:12,239 issue that you wonder about here whether 82 00:04:18,140 --> 00:04:14,820 and I'll ask you how we you do it in the 83 00:04:21,020 --> 00:04:18,150 UK Philip but you want to bring people 84 00:04:24,730 --> 00:04:21,030 to your symposiums you want to build 85 00:04:27,740 --> 00:04:24,740 membership so do you bring in people who 86 00:04:29,900 --> 00:04:27,750 can only bring entertainment and not 87 00:04:31,580 --> 00:04:29,910 valid information for the sake of 88 00:04:35,330 --> 00:04:31,590 selling tickets how would you approach 89 00:04:38,029 --> 00:04:35,340 that Philip well I mean that is one way 90 00:04:40,730 --> 00:04:38,039 to look at it we I used to be part of 91 00:04:45,350 --> 00:04:40,740 the British UFO research Association 92 00:04:49,310 --> 00:04:45,360 which was the largest you know UFO group 93 00:04:52,580 --> 00:04:49,320 we had around a thousand members and you 94 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:52,590 know I took at one stage a petition 95 00:04:57,410 --> 00:04:55,290 inverted commas a commercial they don't 96 00:04:59,120 --> 00:04:57,420 look at the subject and we will actually 97 00:05:04,460 --> 00:04:59,130 one of our conferences was passed 98 00:05:05,570 --> 00:05:04,470 sponsored by a as Sony and I thought it 99 00:05:09,170 --> 00:05:05,580 was pretty good 100 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:09,180 because we needed finances to stay alive 101 00:05:17,060 --> 00:05:13,370 to keep the organization running and a 102 00:05:20,900 --> 00:05:17,070 small degree of entertainment you know 103 00:05:24,140 --> 00:05:20,910 can't hurt if it attracts people and 104 00:05:26,510 --> 00:05:24,150 attract financing Bernie mind most 105 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:26,520 members if they're active members 106 00:05:30,890 --> 00:05:28,410 spending their own money on the 107 00:05:33,230 --> 00:05:30,900 investigations and so on we certainly 108 00:05:37,130 --> 00:05:33,240 did heater so I think it's all right up 109 00:05:39,830 --> 00:05:37,140 until a point but you know we had a an 110 00:05:42,110 --> 00:05:39,840 entertainment consultant and he was an 111 00:05:44,690 --> 00:05:42,120 actor it still isn't out there and his 112 00:05:46,460 --> 00:05:44,700 name is called nabiru ba novels a 113 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:46,470 disabled actor in a wheelchair 114 00:05:52,060 --> 00:05:48,930 permanently but he's a bidding doctor 115 00:05:55,460 --> 00:05:52,070 who and many movies and a stage plays 116 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:55,470 but he was a consultant it was part of 117 00:06:02,420 --> 00:05:57,930 the organization for a while he was very 118 00:06:03,980 --> 00:06:02,430 helpful in that instance so we didn't go 119 00:06:06,140 --> 00:06:03,990 too far I mean some of my colleagues 120 00:06:08,510 --> 00:06:06,150 didn't like it I have to be honest Jean 121 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:08,520 and care they didn't like these any any 122 00:06:15,290 --> 00:06:11,610 mention of a commercial side with but 123 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:15,300 when the commercial side was dropped at 124 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:16,410 the membership dropped 125 00:06:22,490 --> 00:06:20,490 buta for a sadly only really exists in 126 00:06:24,770 --> 00:06:22,500 name now with just one or two active 127 00:06:27,740 --> 00:06:24,780 members so it went from a thousand down 128 00:06:31,100 --> 00:06:27,750 to nothing so it's a fine dividing line 129 00:06:33,350 --> 00:06:31,110 but he can't go too far that's my honest 130 00:06:35,030 --> 00:06:33,360 opinion without knowing a lot of the 131 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:35,040 details about what's happened at no 132 00:06:42,590 --> 00:06:39,690 phone it's okay right if you go to the 133 00:06:45,170 --> 00:06:42,600 the conference's for example in Roswell 134 00:06:46,910 --> 00:06:45,180 they always have you know a TV star 135 00:06:49,820 --> 00:06:46,920 there or somebody was appeared in the 136 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:49,830 movies that kind of thing and that 137 00:06:54,860 --> 00:06:52,170 attracts the audience into a certain 138 00:06:56,330 --> 00:06:54,870 degree but it's only you know a sampling 139 00:06:57,450 --> 00:06:56,340 there's already a snippet of that there 140 00:06:59,790 --> 00:06:57,460 it's not the whole 141 00:07:01,529 --> 00:06:59,800 essence of the conference in Roswell 142 00:07:03,659 --> 00:07:01,539 it's just a little part of it which is 143 00:07:05,189 --> 00:07:03,669 nice you know okay say as long as you 144 00:07:08,969 --> 00:07:05,199 don't go too far I was it was anything 145 00:07:11,900 --> 00:07:08,979 wrong with him okay so that's that's 146 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:11,910 interesting I was wondering about the 147 00:07:15,210 --> 00:07:13,210 relationship 148 00:07:17,610 --> 00:07:15,220 you mentioned the commercial interests 149 00:07:19,350 --> 00:07:17,620 and things but I mean it was Disick was 150 00:07:22,469 --> 00:07:19,360 the entertainment kept separate from the 151 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:22,479 the ufology a examination of things I 152 00:07:26,879 --> 00:07:24,370 know sometimes they capitalize on things 153 00:07:30,180 --> 00:07:26,889 like movies like Close Encounters or et 154 00:07:32,879 --> 00:07:30,190 but usually that's just to draw people 155 00:07:34,589 --> 00:07:32,889 and it doesn't involve the cases that 156 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:34,599 are examined and there's there's a 157 00:07:39,540 --> 00:07:37,570 distinct separation between rape fantasy 158 00:07:41,370 --> 00:07:39,550 and reality and it seems like that's not 159 00:07:44,189 --> 00:07:41,380 happening now in in some of the 160 00:07:45,900 --> 00:07:44,199 conference's that did did they keep it 161 00:07:46,710 --> 00:07:45,910 separate there and these conferences 162 00:07:51,870 --> 00:07:46,720 you're talking about 163 00:07:58,070 --> 00:07:51,880 I organized we had a commercial Sony 164 00:08:00,899 --> 00:07:58,080 music the idea was that Jeff Wayne was 165 00:08:01,999 --> 00:08:00,909 reissuing his musical version of War of 166 00:08:05,310 --> 00:08:02,009 the Worlds 167 00:08:08,219 --> 00:08:05,320 and Jeff Wayne himself was to speak at 168 00:08:10,860 --> 00:08:08,229 the conference about his research and 169 00:08:13,020 --> 00:08:10,870 his interest in HG Wells and War of the 170 00:08:15,420 --> 00:08:13,030 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00:14:16,949 our famous para cast community forums at 312 00:14:24,259 --> 00:14:22,560 forum dot the podcast.com Kurt Collins 313 00:14:26,269 --> 00:14:24,269 is our guest co-host Philip mantel is 314 00:14:27,889 --> 00:14:26,279 our guest a reminder that we have 315 00:14:29,809 --> 00:14:27,899 another radio show we'd like you to hear 316 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:29,819 it's called after the power cast we can 317 00:14:33,410 --> 00:14:31,250 never predict what's going to happen 318 00:14:35,509 --> 00:14:33,420 last week we had a special appearance 319 00:14:37,460 --> 00:14:35,519 from Greg Bishop and he's doing a new 320 00:14:42,290 --> 00:14:37,470 book on contact Dean's that will be out 321 00:14:44,180 --> 00:14:42,300 shortly with another author okay Adam go 322 00:14:47,749 --> 00:14:44,190 rightly and that's gonna be fascinating 323 00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:47,759 and we'll talk to them when the book is 324 00:14:52,069 --> 00:14:49,920 closer to release or when it is 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need money in 339 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:29,639 the u.s. to run for office and they get 340 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:32,610 it from special interests and then what 341 00:15:37,670 --> 00:15:34,649 they do is they alter their beliefs and 342 00:15:39,079 --> 00:15:37,680 approach to those special interests here 343 00:15:41,420 --> 00:15:39,089 you got money from someone it's a 344 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:41,430 sponsor kinda like a sponsor on a TV 345 00:15:45,199 --> 00:15:43,290 show where you're not forced to do 346 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:45,209 anything in terms of product placement 347 00:15:49,790 --> 00:15:47,850 well look at this now when you will see 348 00:15:51,949 --> 00:15:49,800 a UFO you should then turn on your 349 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:51,959 iPhone and watch a Sony movie or 350 00:15:55,519 --> 00:15:52,529 something 351 00:16:01,639 --> 00:15:55,529 it wasn't blatant from what you tell me 352 00:16:04,220 --> 00:16:01,649 we've sponsored by you know they were 353 00:16:07,429 --> 00:16:04,230 releasing the new updated version of 354 00:16:10,370 --> 00:16:07,439 Jeff Wayne's more of the world's really 355 00:16:13,249 --> 00:16:10,380 good but so I know it was a side issue 356 00:16:15,439 --> 00:16:13,259 it worked very well I mean in fairness 357 00:16:17,379 --> 00:16:15,449 to Sony music I mean I spoke with one of 358 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:17,389 their met one of their head 359 00:16:22,910 --> 00:16:19,050 representatives 360 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:22,920 and they said they didn't want to take 361 00:16:27,740 --> 00:16:25,529 over the whole conference because it 362 00:16:30,620 --> 00:16:27,750 would spoil it for what it was they were 363 00:16:34,220 --> 00:16:30,630 quite happy to just play a small part in 364 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:34,230 it and give us a small fee and they were 365 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:36,450 delirious with the coverage they guy he 366 00:16:40,610 --> 00:16:38,610 suited them down to the ground I mean 367 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:40,620 they had a lot of money you know four 368 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:43,170 markets in this thing we managed to get 369 00:16:47,540 --> 00:16:45,570 a little bit of that I'm quite happy but 370 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:47,550 like I said there was still you know 371 00:16:52,670 --> 00:16:49,490 some of my colleagues not happy about 372 00:16:56,329 --> 00:16:52,680 having any commercial endorsement if you 373 00:17:00,340 --> 00:16:56,339 like or sponsorship whatsoever so you 374 00:17:03,309 --> 00:17:00,350 know you know these are voluntary 375 00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:03,319 organizations and if we could get funds 376 00:17:09,230 --> 00:17:07,199 from places like so music or movies or 377 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:09,240 whatever as long as it doesn't take over 378 00:17:12,500 --> 00:17:11,010 then I don't think there's anything 379 00:17:15,140 --> 00:17:12,510 wrong with it but it's just if you go 380 00:17:16,939 --> 00:17:15,150 too far that's the problem I mean I 381 00:17:19,130 --> 00:17:16,949 don't know what more funds finances I 382 00:17:21,740 --> 00:17:19,140 like have no idea they might have to do 383 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:21,750 it I keep themselves alive I wouldn't 384 00:17:27,650 --> 00:17:23,850 know you know it's really none of my 385 00:17:31,159 --> 00:17:27,660 business so but it is a fact of life and 386 00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:31,169 I mean I mean I wish move on all the 387 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:32,400 success in the world I've nothing 388 00:17:36,919 --> 00:17:34,770 against them you know we could have 389 00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:36,929 carried on here before but it didn't 390 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:39,360 work I'm afraid Philip I'd like to hear 391 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:41,970 more about the structure of the of 392 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:44,730 ufology in the UK and MUFON almost 393 00:17:49,940 --> 00:17:47,910 dominates it here and when you think of 394 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:49,950 UFOs and they put some on television 395 00:17:55,450 --> 00:17:52,530 more often not it's it's it's somewhat 396 00:17:59,060 --> 00:17:55,460 from MUFON so so who's who's 397 00:18:00,860 --> 00:17:59,070 representing ufology there and I think 398 00:18:03,890 --> 00:18:00,870 most of what we get in the u.s. is is 399 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:03,900 like the tabloid coverage of the subject 400 00:18:08,510 --> 00:18:06,450 which is terrible so so what's what's 401 00:18:11,980 --> 00:18:08,520 happening with ufology and how does the 402 00:18:16,490 --> 00:18:11,990 media treat it in the UK well you know 403 00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:16,500 there's no organisation like they used 404 00:18:22,790 --> 00:18:20,130 to before when I was there had a 405 00:18:25,340 --> 00:18:22,800 membership of about a thousand you know 406 00:18:29,990 --> 00:18:25,350 and we were the the central focus from 407 00:18:32,989 --> 00:18:30,000 most of the media because before it or 408 00:18:34,969 --> 00:18:32,999 was the oldest UFO group 409 00:18:36,649 --> 00:18:34,979 okay I mean they still officially going 410 00:18:39,849 --> 00:18:36,659 but there's only a handful of them there 411 00:18:45,349 --> 00:18:39,859 and and they don't do actually anything 412 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:45,359 so there is no one focal point for UFO 413 00:18:51,139 --> 00:18:46,769 study in the UK 414 00:18:54,069 --> 00:18:51,149 anymore there are a number of regional 415 00:18:59,449 --> 00:18:54,079 groups you know in different counties 416 00:19:02,299 --> 00:18:59,459 there are several magazines that are 417 00:19:05,179 --> 00:19:02,309 published online some of which have a 418 00:19:09,079 --> 00:19:05,189 subscription some of which are free but 419 00:19:11,329 --> 00:19:09,089 again you know the main magazine I 420 00:19:13,429 --> 00:19:11,339 suppose main ones the forty in times but 421 00:19:18,619 --> 00:19:13,439 it's not Ecology's it's a mix of all 422 00:19:22,969 --> 00:19:18,629 kinds of things and there are you know a 423 00:19:25,189 --> 00:19:22,979 few conferences here and there but again 424 00:19:28,579 --> 00:19:25,199 nothing on the scale or that there used 425 00:19:30,739 --> 00:19:28,589 to be back in the nineties you know 426 00:19:34,489 --> 00:19:30,749 conference would be five six seven eight 427 00:19:37,849 --> 00:19:34,499 hundred a thousand people today is a few 428 00:19:40,579 --> 00:19:37,859 hundred and the you know they don't have 429 00:19:45,649 --> 00:19:40,589 the funds behind them either so it's 430 00:19:51,259 --> 00:19:45,659 surprising that the the tabloid news 431 00:19:53,449 --> 00:19:51,269 media is looked upon by outside as the 432 00:19:56,329 --> 00:19:53,459 sort of official voice of ufology in the 433 00:19:58,579 --> 00:19:56,339 UK simply because there is no official 434 00:20:02,179 --> 00:19:58,589 voice but is there is no one platform 435 00:20:06,259 --> 00:20:02,189 for releasing your research most of mine 436 00:20:09,109 --> 00:20:06,269 goes you know if I send it to just about 437 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:09,119 anybody in everybody I have free of 438 00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:11,369 charge if not just in the UK but around 439 00:20:15,349 --> 00:20:13,679 the world and if they want to use it 440 00:20:16,099 --> 00:20:15,359 fine if they don't well you know that's 441 00:20:18,739 --> 00:20:16,109 okay with me 442 00:20:20,599 --> 00:20:18,749 so though it's you know there isn't a 443 00:20:23,179 --> 00:20:20,609 focal point anymore I think that's kind 444 00:20:27,049 --> 00:20:23,189 of sad you know I really do and I think 445 00:20:29,929 --> 00:20:27,059 also what we look at you follow the G in 446 00:20:34,249 --> 00:20:29,939 general I don't think there's a focus 447 00:20:37,579 --> 00:20:34,259 point you know anyway really probably 448 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:37,589 hasn't been since dr. Nick died you know 449 00:20:43,039 --> 00:20:40,049 he was respected he was looked upon as a 450 00:20:45,199 --> 00:20:43,049 you know a same voice for the subjects 451 00:20:46,140 --> 00:20:45,209 I'm not saying you have to agree with 452 00:20:48,450 --> 00:20:46,150 that 453 00:20:52,590 --> 00:20:48,460 it's just my perspective on it but it's 454 00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:52,600 never been really the same since and if 455 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:55,120 that will change I don't know I mean if 456 00:20:58,919 --> 00:20:57,010 you know anybody can start website now 457 00:21:01,740 --> 00:20:58,929 count them call themselves whatever I 458 00:21:03,899 --> 00:21:01,750 mean you know when I first there's no 459 00:21:07,260 --> 00:21:03,909 such thing as the Internet certainly not 460 00:21:07,860 --> 00:21:07,270 in public domain anyway so so things 461 00:21:10,260 --> 00:21:07,870 have changed 462 00:21:12,899 --> 00:21:10,270 Laura you have to think for yourself is 463 00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:12,909 for the good off for the detriment of 464 00:21:19,380 --> 00:21:14,799 the subject I don't 465 00:21:21,570 --> 00:21:19,390 oh well that reminds me of something I 466 00:21:25,049 --> 00:21:21,580 there was a big event I think was about 467 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:25,059 a year ago Erich von däniken lida seen 468 00:21:36,139 --> 00:21:30,610 I'd are you familiar with that the main 469 00:21:38,730 --> 00:21:36,149 organizer Steve mirror and am the author 470 00:21:41,340 --> 00:21:38,740 in Manchester later in the year and 471 00:21:45,419 --> 00:21:41,350 they've got another one next year but 472 00:21:47,820 --> 00:21:45,429 you know it's not just so whole mixture 473 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:47,830 of things it will be well attended it's 474 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:50,890 well organized and I think the pricing 475 00:21:56,159 --> 00:21:54,250 structure is quite reasonable and I'm 476 00:21:58,350 --> 00:21:56,169 sure it'll be a great success but not 477 00:22:00,779 --> 00:21:58,360 ufology Steve he's primarily a 478 00:22:04,769 --> 00:22:00,789 paranormal researcher it's involved with 479 00:22:08,580 --> 00:22:04,779 an online he's an online TV company of 480 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:08,590 some respect and he works full-time and 481 00:22:14,159 --> 00:22:11,730 he's a smart guy he really is he's Steve 482 00:22:14,490 --> 00:22:14,169 you know the conference he's not my cup 483 00:22:17,580 --> 00:22:14,500 of tea 484 00:22:22,110 --> 00:22:17,590 but that's just me that's just my own 485 00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,120 interests well organized and be some 486 00:22:26,490 --> 00:22:24,640 good presentations but it covers a whole 487 00:22:29,519 --> 00:22:26,500 lot of different fields like you said 488 00:22:32,610 --> 00:22:29,529 you know they had celebration of a very 489 00:22:34,940 --> 00:22:32,620 want Anakin whom I met many years back 490 00:22:37,470 --> 00:22:34,950 in in Austria believe it in Viet 491 00:22:40,350 --> 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are you located 603 00:27:38,260 --> 00:27:36,650 in I'm not far from the city of Leeds in 604 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:38,270 the north of England in West Yorkshire 605 00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:42,770 and they're cold almanac frost so it was 606 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:44,480 down to you know it's above freezing 607 00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:47,570 last night but I've been out today on 608 00:27:51,940 --> 00:27:50,720 the market and it's not it is very nice 609 00:27:55,570 --> 00:27:51,950 and bright but very cold 610 00:27:59,380 --> 00:27:55,580 Kurt central Mississippi partly cloudy 611 00:28:02,290 --> 00:27:59,390 68 degrees it's warmer than Arizona I am 612 00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:02,300 freaked out okay now the reason I of 613 00:28:07,540 --> 00:28:05,600 course that I brought up this UFOs and 614 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:07,550 entertainment factor is because of all 615 00:28:13,180 --> 00:28:10,210 the controversy about MUFON and I'll ask 616 00:28:16,270 --> 00:28:13,190 about the subject that Kurt raised 617 00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:16,280 earlier but we did receive a couple of 618 00:28:21,370 --> 00:28:19,190 comments in our forums about last week's 619 00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:21,380 appearance of Jan Mars am the executive 620 00:28:26,830 --> 00:28:24,110 director of MUFON and Kurt you probably 621 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:26,840 noticed this suggesting that maybe we 622 00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:31,250 were not tough enough on him so do you 623 00:28:33,970 --> 00:28:32,960 think we were supposed to browbeat him 624 00:28:36,550 --> 00:28:33,980 into submission 625 00:28:39,630 --> 00:28:36,560 I didn't hear the show but I think the 626 00:28:43,420 --> 00:28:39,640 complaints most of the information is 627 00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:43,430 not that new and so I don't think that 628 00:28:48,130 --> 00:28:45,350 if you're gonna have a guest on you 629 00:28:50,350 --> 00:28:48,140 should continue to cover the same issues 630 00:28:52,180 --> 00:28:50,360 I think he's also very committed in his 631 00:28:54,370 --> 00:28:52,190 position and whatever you say is not 632 00:28:55,660 --> 00:28:54,380 really gonna change his mind so there's 633 00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:55,670 definitely a balance you want that 634 00:29:00,760 --> 00:28:58,730 organization represented you want indy 635 00:29:02,620 --> 00:29:00,770 hear what he has to say but no I don't I 636 00:29:04,450 --> 00:29:02,630 don't think you have to to blast him and 637 00:29:08,650 --> 00:29:04,460 after all I think it's more interesting 638 00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:08,660 if someone is presenting a unusual 639 00:29:11,970 --> 00:29:09,910 perspective let's 640 00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:11,980 let them talk and give them the 641 00:29:17,940 --> 00:29:15,430 opportunity to expose those views and if 642 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:17,950 they're unbalanced well that's better to 643 00:29:23,250 --> 00:29:20,410 have them express and fall yeah the 644 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:23,260 back-and-forth doesn't always work here 645 00:29:28,650 --> 00:29:26,050 and we know Jan Harrison has a very 646 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:28,660 slick presentation and I raised the 647 00:29:33,540 --> 00:29:30,850 questions because we've talked about 648 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:33,550 them before but we wanted his answer his 649 00:29:38,180 --> 00:29:35,890 position you now know his position and 650 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:38,190 you can take it or leave it now 651 00:29:44,370 --> 00:29:40,450 obviously there's been a lot of blowback 652 00:29:47,580 --> 00:29:44,380 Phillip because they featured stories 653 00:29:50,730 --> 00:29:47,590 about the secret space program at the 654 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:50,740 last MUFON symposium now this is an 655 00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:52,330 issue that comes up occasionally we've 656 00:29:56,490 --> 00:29:54,310 talked about it on the power cast over 657 00:29:59,880 --> 00:29:56,500 the years is there any discussion of 658 00:30:02,010 --> 00:29:59,890 this nature in the UK Phillip not to my 659 00:30:04,770 --> 00:30:02,020 knowledge it might be you know online 660 00:30:07,050 --> 00:30:04,780 and it kind of surprised me what I 661 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:07,060 thought half of Americans didn't believe 662 00:30:12,390 --> 00:30:09,130 that we actually went to the moon in the 663 00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:12,400 first place so not a topic I would you 664 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:16,270 know delve into at all but certainly 665 00:30:20,550 --> 00:30:18,010 none of my colleagues have mentioned 666 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:20,560 anything to me about secret space 667 00:30:25,140 --> 00:30:22,450 program I mean there are people online 668 00:30:26,850 --> 00:30:25,150 or discuss it it's not a topic for me so 669 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:26,860 I don't take any note we saw it gene to 670 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:29,770 be perfectly honest for me with the 671 00:30:35,780 --> 00:30:32,410 greatest of respect I will put it on the 672 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:35,790 same play as the Flat Earth you know I 673 00:30:40,410 --> 00:30:38,890 just think it's nonsense but that's just 674 00:30:42,660 --> 00:30:40,420 my own opinion I'm not saying I'm right 675 00:30:45,270 --> 00:30:42,670 just my opinion I don't know a great 676 00:30:47,130 --> 00:30:45,280 deal about it and it's not something 677 00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:47,140 I'll bother with to be perfectly honest 678 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:50,760 the basic theory Phillip is this we know 679 00:30:57,630 --> 00:30:54,370 there are secret space probes set up spy 680 00:30:59,850 --> 00:30:57,640 satellites that's an open secret secret 681 00:31:02,720 --> 00:30:59,860 space program means that after the 682 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:02,730 Americans stop going to the moon 683 00:31:09,090 --> 00:31:05,770 officially publicly they did it secretly 684 00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:09,100 using black project money they spotted 685 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:11,260 lee set up bases on the moon and on Mars 686 00:31:18,420 --> 00:31:14,290 and may be doing so in concert with 687 00:31:21,060 --> 00:31:18,430 alien beings now none of this is proven 688 00:31:23,670 --> 00:31:21,070 I don't think any of it can be proven 689 00:31:26,730 --> 00:31:23,680 except by a silly inferences like for 690 00:31:29,850 --> 00:31:26,740 example what was it former Secretary of 691 00:31:32,250 --> 00:31:29,860 Defense Donald Rumsfeld once talked 692 00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:32,260 about trillions of dollars of missing 693 00:31:37,170 --> 00:31:35,710 money before 9/11 the day before and the 694 00:31:39,270 --> 00:31:37,180 official explanation is that's an 695 00:31:41,670 --> 00:31:39,280 accounting matter not the physical 696 00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:41,680 disappearance of money but when you get 697 00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:43,840 stuff like that it gives rise to 698 00:31:49,980 --> 00:31:47,200 theories that there are trillions of 699 00:31:52,740 --> 00:31:49,990 dollars floating around that we know 700 00:31:55,260 --> 00:31:52,750 nothing about and they're engaged in 701 00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:55,270 black projects and those things may 702 00:32:01,580 --> 00:31:58,720 involve advanced science on the other 703 00:32:05,450 --> 00:32:01,590 hand if we have been exploring a space 704 00:32:07,980 --> 00:32:05,460 with manned probes since the 70s 705 00:32:10,410 --> 00:32:07,990 wouldn't our ability to send rocket 706 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:10,420 ships up there have advanced far more 707 00:32:14,820 --> 00:32:12,970 than it did well exactly and you 708 00:32:17,790 --> 00:32:14,830 probably wouldn't allowed to show you 709 00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:17,800 just this as well so he's just a fantasy 710 00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:20,230 that's all it is I mean I wanna give it 711 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:23,110 you no space no time I think it's just 712 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:26,410 gibberish you know people don't if you 713 00:32:30,210 --> 00:32:27,970 just think about it and just look 714 00:32:33,660 --> 00:32:30,220 logically people don't realize how 715 00:32:36,780 --> 00:32:33,670 difficult first and foremost it is to 716 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:36,790 get into space you know I don't care how 717 00:32:41,340 --> 00:32:39,130 much money you've got you know getting 718 00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:41,350 into space is an extremely extremely 719 00:32:47,510 --> 00:32:44,710 risky thing to do and when we talk about 720 00:32:50,430 --> 00:32:47,520 space we're still talking about you know 721 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:50,440 Justino orbit around the planet Earth 722 00:32:54,780 --> 00:32:53,410 not going any further and there's all 723 00:32:56,430 --> 00:32:54,790 these rumors well why didn't they go 724 00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:56,440 back to the moon well you have to look 725 00:33:01,140 --> 00:32:58,330 at you know the reasons for the moon 726 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:01,150 landings this was propaganda this was 727 00:33:05,370 --> 00:33:03,010 you know a space race to beat the 728 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:05,380 Russians and once that was done it was 729 00:33:08,340 --> 00:33:06,730 over and done with you know there's no 730 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:08,350 diamonds there's no oil on the moon 731 00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:10,930 loose you know and just to go there for 732 00:33:15,540 --> 00:33:13,630 scientific reasons costing you know yeah 733 00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:15,550 you may well be talking Chileans just to 734 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:18,640 get to the moon and back anymore so it's 735 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:21,010 just hogwash and of course you know I 736 00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,530 don't care even if you had whatever 737 00:33:27,630 --> 00:33:25,360 technology it's gonna take off from 738 00:33:29,310 --> 00:33:27,640 somewhere you've got to build the hard 739 00:33:30,930 --> 00:33:29,320 way you're gonna make it you know 740 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:30,940 there's no factories on the moment I 741 00:33:36,930 --> 00:33:32,770 just think you know the secret space 742 00:33:40,620 --> 00:33:36,940 program so-called is is just 743 00:33:41,580 --> 00:33:40,630 today's latest conspiracy theory it will 744 00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:41,590 do the rounds 745 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:44,080 some people will believe in it then some 746 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:46,690 people will believe in anything and it 747 00:33:51,060 --> 00:33:48,730 will at some point fade away and be 748 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:51,070 replaced by it something else you know 749 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:53,770 what who knows well you know I wouldn't 750 00:33:57,450 --> 00:33:55,450 give it the time of day and I certainly 751 00:34:00,150 --> 00:33:57,460 and this is again with the greatest 752 00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:00,160 respect to move on I think in a sense 753 00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:00,910 here 754 00:34:14,850 --> 00:34:10,240 Furies but to devote an entire symposium 755 00:34:19,790 --> 00:34:14,860 at leuphana to this theory that it has 756 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:19,800 no proof whatever is just absurd and 757 00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:22,810 they did tell us at least Jan Tarzan did 758 00:34:28,110 --> 00:34:24,510 that they had a pretty good attendance 759 00:34:29,910 --> 00:34:28,120 which says to me well that's why you had 760 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:29,920 a good attendance people came there for 761 00:34:36,540 --> 00:34:32,850 entertainment value I guess he thinks 762 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:36,550 that if you do stuff like that you will 763 00:34:41,940 --> 00:34:39,370 get people to legitimately join MUFON 764 00:34:43,530 --> 00:34:41,950 and they can continue to do research but 765 00:34:46,290 --> 00:34:43,540 I'm not at all sure what kind of 766 00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:46,300 research they're doing it doesn't seem 767 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:48,070 as if they've accomplished anything I 768 00:34:53,820 --> 00:34:49,770 think they might have reached the point 769 00:34:55,860 --> 00:34:53,830 where it was going nowhere and you 770 00:34:57,540 --> 00:34:55,870 either expand the organization or have 771 00:34:59,550 --> 00:34:57,550 it a road and die as most UFO 772 00:35:01,380 --> 00:34:59,560 organizations do is you know Philip and 773 00:35:05,550 --> 00:35:01,390 therefore they said let's try 774 00:35:08,010 --> 00:35:05,560 entertainment I mean I don't know 775 00:35:10,590 --> 00:35:08,020 they're behind I think also MUFON were 776 00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:10,600 involved with TV series hangar one as 777 00:35:16,050 --> 00:35:13,660 well so there is an entertainment aspect 778 00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:16,060 there as well to devote a whole 779 00:35:22,830 --> 00:35:20,560 symposium on this subject II know I mean 780 00:35:24,690 --> 00:35:22,840 I've been in a conference organized and 781 00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:24,700 I was the conference organizer before 782 00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:29,200 for many years you know if this was the 783 00:35:34,590 --> 00:35:31,270 latest conspiracy theory and we thought 784 00:35:37,050 --> 00:35:34,600 it might attract a few people okay you 785 00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:37,060 may have I mean we have the anterior 786 00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:39,430 Society speak of one of our conferences 787 00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:41,710 but just one speaker out of the whole 788 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:44,200 two days and it's not something I agree 789 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:46,810 with and it's not something you know I 790 00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:49,570 would spend too much time on 791 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:52,510 datian was well made you know it didn't 792 00:35:56,130 --> 00:35:54,490 attract a huge audience but it went down 793 00:35:58,260 --> 00:35:56,140 well and that's that's the way 794 00:36:03,300 --> 00:35:58,270 personally I would have something like 795 00:36:06,270 --> 00:36:03,310 this but you know it's difficult you 796 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:06,280 know because I'm being any part of you 797 00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:08,050 know an organization and trying to keep 798 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systems and 911 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:45,780 every size for incredibly delicious 912 00:40:51,740 --> 00:40:49,050 water now and in an emergency get to go 913 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:51,750 Bertie calm or call eight seven seven 914 00:40:55,730 --> 00:40:53,370 eight eight six three six five three 915 00:41:01,880 --> 00:40:55,740 eight seven seven eight eight six three 916 00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:01,890 six five three go Bertie calm hi this is 917 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:04,680 Don Ecker and you are tuned into the 918 00:41:09,710 --> 00:41:07,290 para cast let me tell you what you're 919 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:09,720 gonna hear stuff here that you probably 920 00:41:15,010 --> 00:41:12,810 won't hear anywhere else hear that 921 00:41:18,260 --> 00:41:15,020 George 922 00:41:20,780 --> 00:41:18,270 we continue with UK UFO researcher 923 00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:20,790 Philip mantle kind of focusing a bit on 924 00:41:26,030 --> 00:41:23,280 American UFO research but I guess you 925 00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:26,040 can see why and we have guest co-host 926 00:41:30,590 --> 00:41:28,140 Kirk Collins Kirk you wanted to bring up 927 00:41:33,380 --> 00:41:30,600 another matter well the we were talking 928 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:33,390 about entertainment and it we can't 929 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:35,370 avoid the topic of Tom DeLonge he's 930 00:41:40,610 --> 00:41:38,250 promoting this new organization to the 931 00:41:43,340 --> 00:41:40,620 stars and in causing an Academy of Arts 932 00:41:45,580 --> 00:41:43,350 and Sciences but what he was doing 933 00:41:48,580 --> 00:41:45,590 before he announced this was a series of 934 00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:48,590 books both fiction and nonfiction 935 00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:51,180 apparently graphic novels and his plans 936 00:41:55,820 --> 00:41:53,310 for a documentary and feature films 937 00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:55,830 which tell you there's a lot of fiction 938 00:42:01,880 --> 00:41:57,900 in that a whole lot of fiction and now 939 00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:01,890 he's introduced a team of people both a 940 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:04,020 scientist ex-government people and 941 00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:06,450 researchers who seem to be all qualified 942 00:42:11,660 --> 00:42:09,060 but it's tied to an entertainment 943 00:42:14,540 --> 00:42:11,670 company so what are we to make of this 944 00:42:17,420 --> 00:42:14,550 and with this this seems exactly the 945 00:42:19,310 --> 00:42:17,430 kind of contamination that we've been 946 00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:19,320 expressing concerns over a fillip are 947 00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,720 you are you familiar with this and have 948 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:23,280 you talked to any of people involved 949 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:26,850 well talk to any those involved I just 950 00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:29,610 think he's you know rich style it's got 951 00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:31,710 nothing bad with himself this is this is 952 00:42:35,450 --> 00:42:33,660 that this is his plating if it can 953 00:42:35,660 --> 00:42:35,460 generate some income from him and for 954 00:42:38,839 --> 00:42:35,670 him 955 00:42:40,789 --> 00:42:38,849 as well then then then fine I mean you 956 00:42:42,289 --> 00:42:40,799 know here in the UK we've got you know 957 00:42:45,260 --> 00:42:42,299 people in the entertainment business 958 00:42:47,420 --> 00:42:45,270 that some of which I've met there have a 959 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:47,430 long-standing interest in in the subject 960 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:49,530 and a genuine interest nothing to do 961 00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:51,450 with entertainment and they haven't 962 00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:54,510 capitalized on it in any great way it's 963 00:42:58,910 --> 00:42:56,220 been one or two little documented but 964 00:43:01,339 --> 00:42:58,920 nothing significant but all I'd seen in 965 00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,349 what I'm seeing from along that he's 966 00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:02,880 talking out on the back of his head with 967 00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:05,280 some of the statements he's made and B 968 00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:08,480 it's only to making money for themselves 969 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:10,920 like you say to an entertainment company 970 00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:13,530 if I were a betting man I would bet 971 00:43:18,339 --> 00:43:16,049 there in a few years if all ending tears 972 00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:18,349 it'll disappear back and bring you know 973 00:43:23,370 --> 00:43:20,760 blink-182 will reform and bring another 974 00:43:24,849 --> 00:43:23,380 album out or whatever it is they do and 975 00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:24,859 [Music] 976 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:28,200 you disappear up a drainpipe somewhere 977 00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:30,650 you know that's the way I look at it now 978 00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:33,569 the thing is here is they have some kind 979 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:36,900 of Kickstarter right program to raise 980 00:43:41,180 --> 00:43:38,970 money and last we heard which was last 981 00:43:44,299 --> 00:43:41,190 week I haven't checked it since they 982 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:44,309 raised two million dollars for whatever 983 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:47,010 this thing is to the stars that the long 984 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:49,770 is doing now that's not a lot of money 985 00:43:55,460 --> 00:43:52,770 if this guy is as successful as he 986 00:43:57,549 --> 00:43:55,470 should be considering the money that was 987 00:44:00,130 --> 00:43:57,559 generated by the band he was a part of 988 00:44:04,210 --> 00:44:00,140 but you also have to consider sometimes 989 00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:04,220 people in the show business they end up 990 00:44:08,740 --> 00:44:07,020 squandering their money for this that or 991 00:44:11,150 --> 00:44:08,750 the other thing you know to live a 992 00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,160 highfalutin lifestyle or something like 993 00:44:15,650 --> 00:44:13,680 that so I'm not saying that's what 994 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:15,660 happened but you have to wonder here 995 00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:20,010 what's going on it really is one way or 996 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:22,680 another you know you'll end up in my 997 00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:24,210 opinion you know nobody you'll get any 998 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:27,440 money back it'll be another scheme or 999 00:44:33,319 --> 00:44:30,770 we'll spend it on making some of these 1000 00:44:36,829 --> 00:44:33,329 documentaries or movies or whatever you 1001 00:44:38,539 --> 00:44:36,839 want to call them terrible you know will 1002 00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:38,549 disappear but now a rabbit hole 1003 00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:41,220 somewhere and go off to do is rock music 1004 00:44:44,270 --> 00:44:42,900 or whatever I mean no gold even his 1005 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:44,280 mansion if he hasn't squandered his 1006 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:48,450 money so it's sad but you know there you 1007 00:44:52,070 --> 00:44:49,290 go 1008 00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:52,080 leaving to it you know stay well away if 1009 00:44:56,330 --> 00:44:54,900 my advice to anybody I keep well out of 1010 00:44:59,810 --> 00:44:56,340 it I really would 1011 00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,820 so yeah maybe this is an indulgence now 1012 00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:01,680 some of our listeners have suggested we 1013 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:04,560 bring DeLong on the para cast wouldn't 1014 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:06,090 that drive too much attention do you 1015 00:45:13,790 --> 00:45:09,410 think what do you think Philip well 1016 00:45:15,470 --> 00:45:13,800 radio show for the love of it you know 1017 00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:15,480 you're certainly not in it for the money 1018 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:18,300 I wouldn't you know if you think it 1019 00:45:23,060 --> 00:45:21,330 might attract a bigger audience 1020 00:45:26,330 --> 00:45:23,070 no he's the money in the news at the 1021 00:45:29,810 --> 00:45:26,340 moment I can see the other side of it 1022 00:45:33,290 --> 00:45:29,820 you know would say we might be in a bit 1023 00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:33,300 unfair on mr. DeLong so it might be a 1024 00:45:38,750 --> 00:45:35,700 good idea to get him on the pyro cast 1025 00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:38,760 and what these questions to him and and 1026 00:45:42,290 --> 00:45:41,160 see what he has to say so you know you 1027 00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:42,300 can look at it from a number of 1028 00:45:46,940 --> 00:45:45,060 different ways but personally I'd stay 1029 00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,950 clear album listen to it and worth a 1030 00:45:50,260 --> 00:45:48,480 word he has to say I certainly no 1031 00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:50,270 intention of reading any of these books 1032 00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:54,180 and a little bit I have read you know 1033 00:46:01,130 --> 00:45:57,930 about I've just found it you know 1034 00:46:03,350 --> 00:46:01,140 gibberish to be honest amazing but if he 1035 00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:03,360 doesn't know very much about the subject 1036 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:05,910 but you know leave him to it and keep 1037 00:46:11,420 --> 00:46:09,330 away some good may come of this there's 1038 00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:11,430 been a few people in the past who may be 1039 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:14,160 not so credible themselves like Steven 1040 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:16,650 Greer that they have ran rounded up some 1041 00:46:20,930 --> 00:46:19,170 some talented people some some good 1042 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:20,940 witnesses and people that were involved 1043 00:46:26,090 --> 00:46:23,970 in in in government thinks so so while I 1044 00:46:28,070 --> 00:46:26,100 think Tom DeLonge himself can't offer as 1045 00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:28,080 much maybe some of these people he's 1046 00:46:32,810 --> 00:46:30,540 contact and persuaded to talk can be 1047 00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:32,820 contacted interviewed and they can offer 1048 00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:35,250 something but I agree with you Phillip I 1049 00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:37,440 don't think that the Tom DeLonge is is 1050 00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:39,710 gonna be a source of anything except 1051 00:46:51,950 --> 00:46:44,670 repeating old 80's and 90's legends 1052 00:46:55,370 --> 00:46:51,960 myths and x-files type stories I mean if 1053 00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:55,380 you wore a and I bought this in inverted 1054 00:47:01,280 --> 00:46:58,800 commas a government insider what would 1055 00:47:03,049 --> 00:47:01,290 you talk to would it be to somebody in a 1056 00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:03,059 rock band I mean 1057 00:47:07,380 --> 00:47:05,680 it doesn't kind of add up to me and ask 1058 00:47:08,789 --> 00:47:07,390 no disrespect to the people he's got on 1059 00:47:11,490 --> 00:47:08,799 board I'm sure they are who they say 1060 00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:11,500 they are and everybody something just 1061 00:47:16,799 --> 00:47:12,880 doesn't add up I don't know what it is 1062 00:47:19,319 --> 00:47:16,809 but you know it doesn't make any sense 1063 00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:19,329 to me and that's what Steven gray well 1064 00:47:26,130 --> 00:47:20,049 no comment 1065 00:47:29,759 --> 00:47:26,140 but you know I'm keep all away wood well 1066 00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,769 I don't say much about cars an appears 1067 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:31,359 to be a friend of Steven Greer but 1068 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:32,650 there's no accounting for taste 1069 00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:34,690 all right so let me ask you a question 1070 00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:37,510 here we don't have a large monolithic 1071 00:47:44,220 --> 00:47:40,559 UFO research organization the UK anymore 1072 00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:44,230 so what do you guys do there to get the 1073 00:47:50,849 --> 00:47:47,440 work done well I mean one of the reasons 1074 00:47:55,259 --> 00:47:50,859 that I no longer am part of a u.s. 1075 00:47:57,930 --> 00:47:55,269 organization is back young hasn't asked 1076 00:48:00,329 --> 00:47:57,940 me to rejoin no phone and I declined the 1077 00:48:02,579 --> 00:48:00,339 offer you know if you join an 1078 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:02,589 organization you have to abide by their 1079 00:48:07,019 --> 00:48:04,690 rules and regulations and their hire 1080 00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:07,029 well you know I left that behind the 1081 00:48:14,910 --> 00:48:11,710 long so I just do what I want when I 1082 00:48:18,299 --> 00:48:14,920 want and with whom I want and it's as 1083 00:48:20,999 --> 00:48:18,309 simple as that and you know information 1084 00:48:24,029 --> 00:48:21,009 still comes my way you know by a 1085 00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:24,039 whatever by via social media or through 1086 00:48:29,609 --> 00:48:27,369 the mail or through email and I'm quite 1087 00:48:32,700 --> 00:48:29,619 content to do that and do my own thing I 1088 00:48:34,499 --> 00:48:32,710 work colleagues still around the world 1089 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:34,509 you know I was speaking to a colleague 1090 00:48:42,180 --> 00:48:39,690 yesterday in in Argentina you know and 1091 00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:42,190 trust themselves as being a 1092 00:48:48,059 --> 00:48:44,950 world-renowned himself world-renowned 1093 00:48:50,460 --> 00:48:48,069 that well I'll leave them to it I don't 1094 00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:50,470 make any claims like that it's just a 1095 00:48:54,930 --> 00:48:52,569 subject that has fussing fascinated me 1096 00:48:57,509 --> 00:48:54,940 from being a young man and still does 1097 00:49:01,799 --> 00:48:57,519 and you know I'll carry on whatever that 1098 00:49:03,059 --> 00:49:01,809 fascination remains I really will well 1099 00:49:06,839 --> 00:49:03,069 that's how that's a better way of doing 1100 00:49:09,210 --> 00:49:06,849 it well I think so that's that so much 1101 00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:09,220 meat Jean you know I've now retired from 1102 00:49:15,509 --> 00:49:12,609 full-time employment so my time he's my 1103 00:49:16,180 --> 00:49:15,519 all my time he's my own so I can write I 1104 00:49:18,250 --> 00:49:16,190 can research 1105 00:49:21,130 --> 00:49:18,260 I mean I went last weekend with the 1106 00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:21,140 gentleman to interview his mom who is 80 1107 00:49:28,029 --> 00:49:24,710 years old and she in a room full of her 1108 00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:28,039 classmates back in that into what 1109 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:30,049 outside into the summer sunshine at 1110 00:49:37,180 --> 00:49:33,650 their school and viewed a formation of 1111 00:49:39,010 --> 00:49:37,190 objects going over so you know and 1112 00:49:40,660 --> 00:49:39,020 that's just coming out of the blue 1113 00:49:42,670 --> 00:49:40,670 that's just a joke I'm gonna met he 1114 00:49:44,410 --> 00:49:42,680 happens to live quite near to me and I 1115 00:49:48,220 --> 00:49:44,420 just met him out you know we came out of 1116 00:49:50,410 --> 00:49:48,230 nowhere so I don't have to be part of 1117 00:49:52,690 --> 00:49:50,420 any organization right or for not 1118 00:49:55,390 --> 00:49:52,700 beautiful or anywhere else for me to 1119 00:49:58,779 --> 00:49:55,400 continue my own personal interest my own 1120 00:50:00,730 --> 00:49:58,789 research in this subject so that suits 1121 00:50:03,420 --> 00:50:00,740 me might not suit others you know but 1122 00:50:08,049 --> 00:50:03,430 suits make speaking of your own research 1123 00:50:12,579 --> 00:50:08,059 when a while back this is in 2015 you 1124 00:50:15,490 --> 00:50:12,589 were you contributed to the Roswell 1125 00:50:20,380 --> 00:50:15,500 slides investigation I recall that you 1126 00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:20,390 had contacted a number of the of policy 1127 00:50:25,569 --> 00:50:23,049 wasn't not archaeologists it was a 1128 00:50:26,829 --> 00:50:25,579 Egyptian mummy experts and things can 1129 00:50:29,529 --> 00:50:26,839 you can you tell us just a bit about 1130 00:50:32,410 --> 00:50:29,539 that absolutely yes I mean when the 1131 00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:32,420 Roswell slides Fiasco as I will call it 1132 00:50:40,269 --> 00:50:37,250 you know hit the headlines and the the 1133 00:50:42,609 --> 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--> 00:54:05,720 paranormal radio and now here's Jane 1202 00:54:15,790 --> 00:54:13,880 Steinberg Philip mantle UK researcher 1203 00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:15,800 joining us guest co-host is Curt Collins 1204 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:19,250 and we got into a little Roswell slides 1205 00:54:26,740 --> 00:54:21,410 were not Roswell slide stuff go ahead 1206 00:54:28,180 --> 00:54:26,750 Phillip slide was released you know I 1207 00:54:30,490 --> 00:54:28,190 think anyone with a pair of eyes could 1208 00:54:34,540 --> 00:54:30,500 see there was a mummy so it just made 1209 00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:34,550 sense to me to contact experts in that 1210 00:54:40,750 --> 00:54:37,730 field online you've got a few websites 1211 00:54:42,820 --> 00:54:40,760 that mentioned people in Egyptology and 1212 00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:42,830 archaeology will specialized in mummies 1213 00:54:47,410 --> 00:54:45,110 and I just sent them the picture via 1214 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:47,420 email and didn't say a great deal of 1215 00:54:52,690 --> 00:54:49,610 information about sickness and I just 1216 00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:52,700 said what do you think this is I was 1217 00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:54,730 surprised it was quite a number who 1218 00:55:00,510 --> 00:54:58,160 replied and gave permission to use their 1219 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:00,520 real names and their professional status 1220 00:55:04,780 --> 00:55:02,810 and commented on it there were one or 1221 00:55:07,570 --> 00:55:04,790 two others who were prepared to comment 1222 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:07,580 but their real names use and then if you 1223 00:55:13,060 --> 00:55:10,370 never never replied at all but it was 1224 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:13,070 just a way of research that I could do 1225 00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:17,090 while I'm here now the organization no 1226 00:55:22,750 --> 00:55:19,040 one asked me to I just took it upon 1227 00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:22,760 myself the information that was fed back 1228 00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:25,910 to me from these various experts you 1229 00:55:29,590 --> 00:55:27,920 know I made readily available I think to 1230 00:55:31,690 --> 00:55:29,600 Kurt and others who were involved there 1231 00:55:35,650 --> 00:55:31,700 I mean anybody really you know it was 1232 00:55:38,590 --> 00:55:35,660 just a very very small part of what was 1233 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:38,600 like a loose team of people around the 1234 00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,650 world who banded together to get to the 1235 00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:44,480 bottom of the Roswell slides it didn't 1236 00:55:48,790 --> 00:55:46,250 take long you know on it shows what can 1237 00:55:52,420 --> 00:55:48,800 be done and you know I didn't see MUFON 1238 00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:52,430 championing the cause behind it and when 1239 00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:54,170 we talk about entertainment which may 1240 00:55:59,200 --> 00:55:56,210 have been if you look at the whole 1241 00:56:00,819 --> 00:55:59,210 Roswell Fiasco when they were unveiled 1242 00:56:02,650 --> 00:56:00,829 in Mexico that's 1243 00:56:05,049 --> 00:56:02,660 that's exactly what it was it was an 1244 00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:05,059 entertainment event exam 1245 00:56:10,690 --> 00:56:07,910 it's quite sad really but you know we 1246 00:56:12,579 --> 00:56:10,700 all banded together in an unofficial way 1247 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:12,589 and the results are there for everyone 1248 00:56:18,699 --> 00:56:15,890 to see and it was exactly what we 1249 00:56:20,650 --> 00:56:18,709 thought it was it was a mummy and I 1250 00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:20,660 can't remember the exact place when it 1251 00:56:26,469 --> 00:56:23,390 was found now Branagh is in the North 1252 00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:26,479 America in one of the Indian locations 1253 00:56:32,049 --> 00:56:30,079 and even got the paperwork to prove that 1254 00:56:35,229 --> 00:56:32,059 it was this particular moment and so on 1255 00:56:36,940 --> 00:56:35,239 you know so it's what can be done G just 1256 00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:36,950 by working together you don't have to be 1257 00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:40,400 part of an organization so you know that 1258 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:44,569 is I think the Roswell slides was an 1259 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:46,930 example of small groups of researchers 1260 00:56:53,650 --> 00:56:50,690 working together for a common cause to 1261 00:56:56,259 --> 00:56:53,660 solve something and I just wonder maybe 1262 00:56:59,170 --> 00:56:56,269 we need more of that to get some 1263 00:57:01,209 --> 00:56:59,180 progress in the UFO field what exactly I 1264 00:57:05,939 --> 00:57:01,219 mean you know there was no organization 1265 00:57:08,709 --> 00:57:05,949 no finance but those with different 1266 00:57:12,219 --> 00:57:08,719 views different ways of looking at the 1267 00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:12,229 Roswell slides that did bound together I 1268 00:57:17,620 --> 00:57:15,049 mean I just thought well seems to me 1269 00:57:20,170 --> 00:57:17,630 this was a mummy so why not ask the 1270 00:57:22,779 --> 00:57:20,180 experts you know in this field I would 1271 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:22,789 just not be a thing to do where you know 1272 00:57:27,729 --> 00:57:24,650 I was I was at home I had some time to 1273 00:57:30,670 --> 00:57:27,739 do it the brothers around the world did 1274 00:57:32,949 --> 00:57:30,680 various other things to get to the 1275 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:32,959 bottom you know deep learning the plaque 1276 00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:35,930 out on the front of the moment what it 1277 00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:39,410 is and so on I agree entirely I mean you 1278 00:57:49,029 --> 00:57:44,089 know with any event citing whatever you 1279 00:57:52,329 --> 00:57:49,039 like and I think there is a great need 1280 00:57:55,719 --> 00:57:52,339 for sharing the information and we look 1281 00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:55,729 at the slides as an example and say look 1282 00:58:02,160 --> 00:57:58,880 you know I found this this gentleman 1283 00:58:05,529 --> 00:58:02,170 claims it's X what do you think of it 1284 00:58:07,479 --> 00:58:05,539 and Jerry you know and there's nothing 1285 00:58:09,699 --> 00:58:07,489 wrong with that and it doesn't mean we 1286 00:58:11,529 --> 00:58:09,709 all have to agree either but if you get 1287 00:58:13,420 --> 00:58:11,539 a consensus of opinion then it should 1288 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:13,430 show you that you know you know this is 1289 00:58:16,450 --> 00:58:14,690 the way to go 1290 00:58:18,750 --> 00:58:16,460 and I you know it's something I've 1291 00:58:22,030 --> 00:58:18,760 always done gene I mean going back to 1292 00:58:23,890 --> 00:58:22,040 settle in the nineteen eighties the two 1293 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:23,900 colleagues of mine published their first 1294 00:58:27,790 --> 00:58:25,730 book on one already you know about a 1295 00:58:29,590 --> 00:58:27,800 third of the information in the book was 1296 00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:29,600 what I'd supplied that moment they 1297 00:58:32,650 --> 00:58:31,520 thanked me for it which is great but 1298 00:58:36,190 --> 00:58:32,660 that for me was what it was all about 1299 00:58:37,540 --> 00:58:36,200 you know this was research and if we 1300 00:58:40,330 --> 00:58:37,550 don't share and we don't work together 1301 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:40,340 then we'll never get anywhere at all so 1302 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:42,970 I'm all for it and let's have more of it 1303 00:58:46,930 --> 00:58:45,170 it was the reason I brought up the case 1304 00:58:48,370 --> 00:58:46,940 that it decides themselves are not very 1305 00:58:49,630 --> 00:58:48,380 interesting that was solved but I 1306 00:58:52,270 --> 00:58:49,640 thought that that was a good precedent 1307 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:52,280 for this this crowd-sourced regards 1308 00:58:57,790 --> 00:58:54,410 people say that what needs to be done is 1309 00:59:00,790 --> 00:58:57,800 I've got curated crowdsourcing and in it 1310 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:00,800 doesn't have to be just solely trying to 1311 00:59:04,980 --> 00:59:02,930 disprove something I think it could be 1312 00:59:08,590 --> 00:59:04,990 turned to other things like a a 1313 00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:08,600 worldwide I'll say like a sky watch or 1314 00:59:12,430 --> 00:59:09,920 something and you can you can even 1315 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:12,440 calibrate that by having having people 1316 00:59:18,550 --> 00:59:15,770 watch a social event or a satellite pass 1317 00:59:21,180 --> 00:59:18,560 just to just test the coordination of 1318 00:59:24,190 --> 00:59:21,190 information to see if everyone's able to 1319 00:59:26,650 --> 00:59:24,200 see the same thing and record the 1320 00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,660 details accurately so I think there's a 1321 00:59:31,150 --> 00:59:28,880 lot of potential for this but I think 1322 00:59:33,100 --> 00:59:31,160 it's unfortunately it takes something 1323 00:59:36,180 --> 00:59:33,110 like the Roswell slides to get people 1324 00:59:38,860 --> 00:59:36,190 focused on it so otherwise you need 1325 00:59:41,230 --> 00:59:38,870 someone Korea's matic or otherwise to 1326 00:59:42,910 --> 00:59:41,240 announce a project and then look look 1327 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:42,920 for support you know something like that 1328 00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,930 there has to be no money whatsoever it's 1329 00:59:48,430 --> 00:59:46,640 just an investment with the participants 1330 00:59:50,500 --> 00:59:48,440 time and I think it can be really 1331 00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:50,510 rewarding I'd like to see some projects 1332 00:59:55,390 --> 00:59:53,090 try along those lines well yeah I mean 1333 00:59:57,070 --> 00:59:55,400 you know the the Roswell slide was an 1334 00:59:58,840 --> 00:59:57,080 obvious thing because the you know 1335 01:00:01,210 --> 00:59:58,850 they've been a build-up to it you know 1336 01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:01,220 the excitement was building and they 1337 01:00:09,700 --> 01:00:03,920 were snippets released no on purpose 1338 01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:09,710 price marketers so the prime example but 1339 01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:13,490 with all kinds of events reason why we 1340 01:00:19,060 --> 01:00:16,160 can't scary but you know people have a 1341 01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:19,070 vested interest gene will know this as 1342 01:00:23,710 --> 01:00:22,160 well as I do that's no matter what you 1343 01:00:26,590 --> 01:00:23,720 do they'll not believe you anyway it's 1344 01:00:27,700 --> 01:00:26,600 not a it's not to disprove something in 1345 01:00:30,010 --> 01:00:27,710 fact with 1346 01:00:32,530 --> 01:00:30,020 the gospel slides it wasn't necessarily 1347 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:32,540 disprove it was a deli I mean it was to 1348 01:00:39,339 --> 01:00:35,290 prove that it was in fact just a mummy 1349 01:00:41,500 --> 01:00:39,349 that's why I looks Li and humming some 1350 01:00:43,890 --> 01:00:41,510 some photographs have come my way it's 1351 01:00:46,300 --> 01:00:43,900 recently alleged UFO photographs after 1352 01:00:47,470 --> 01:00:46,310 they've gone out in the news media cuz 1353 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:47,480 that was one way of getting them out 1354 01:00:52,900 --> 01:00:50,690 there and you know I've shared all the 1355 01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:52,910 information I have on them with a number 1356 01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:55,250 of people around the world who soso and 1357 01:00:59,859 --> 01:00:57,410 hopefully you know they'll be able to 1358 01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:59,869 make sense of them and you'll say it's a 1359 01:01:05,380 --> 01:01:02,000 lot of fake or it's just it's real or 1360 01:01:07,839 --> 01:01:05,390 whatever so I I agree you know there 1361 01:01:09,790 --> 01:01:07,849 should be more of it but it really it's 1362 01:01:11,620 --> 01:01:09,800 a it's a motivational thing and you've 1363 01:01:14,170 --> 01:01:11,630 got to keep money out of it just as 1364 01:01:17,740 --> 01:01:14,180 money becomes involved then accusations 1365 01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:17,750 won't fly one way or another so you know 1366 01:01:22,540 --> 01:01:19,330 what will be the next thing that all 1367 01:01:24,190 --> 01:01:22,550 motivate people to bang together remains 1368 01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:24,200 to be seen it would be nice if it could 1369 01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:27,440 be organized but I think people probably 1370 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:33,440 just kind of happened let me ask you a 1371 01:01:38,770 --> 01:01:36,290 question here maybe explain this to our 1372 01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:38,780 listeners we've had you on last year and 1373 01:01:46,420 --> 01:01:42,710 you became a publisher um there are a 1374 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:46,430 number of small publishers around the 1375 01:01:51,790 --> 01:01:48,770 world right now and if you were doing 1376 01:01:54,370 --> 01:01:51,800 paranormal books anomalous books for 1377 01:01:59,130 --> 01:01:54,380 example Richard Dolan has a Richard Owen 1378 01:02:03,010 --> 01:01:59,140 press things like that why did you do it 1379 01:02:05,530 --> 01:02:03,020 why did I stop publishing well for one 1380 01:02:08,050 --> 01:02:05,540 reason really I mean I used to be a 1381 01:02:11,290 --> 01:02:08,060 magazine editor and this is how we all 1382 01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:11,300 all started him and a gentleman by the 1383 01:02:18,310 --> 01:02:15,530 name of Peter chiapas in Poland wrote a 1384 01:02:20,770 --> 01:02:18,320 couple of articles for me then a few 1385 01:02:22,690 --> 01:02:20,780 years down the line he actually sent me 1386 01:02:26,170 --> 01:02:22,700 a manuscript of a book 1387 01:02:29,050 --> 01:02:26,180 now it wasn't for publication 1388 01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:29,060 Peter was trying to improve his written 1389 01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:32,480 English and the manuscript laid there 1390 01:02:38,260 --> 01:02:35,570 for about six months I never even looked 1391 01:02:39,700 --> 01:02:38,270 at it I acknowledge I received it but I 1392 01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:39,710 opened I thought well this is 1393 01:02:45,279 --> 01:02:41,359 fascinating 1394 01:02:46,989 --> 01:02:45,289 it really ought to be published and so 1395 01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:46,999 that's where the idea came from I asked 1396 01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:51,650 Pete and if you wanted to go and he you 1397 01:02:56,890 --> 01:02:53,359 know he'd never personally thought about 1398 01:02:58,900 --> 01:02:56,900 it it wasn't why he sent it and a friend 1399 01:03:01,150 --> 01:02:58,910 of mine by the name of John Hanson who 1400 01:03:02,829 --> 01:03:01,160 publishes the Haunted star series of 1401 01:03:06,279 --> 01:03:02,839 books which are excellent by the way 1402 01:03:09,579 --> 01:03:06,289 he encouraged me and showed me how to 1403 01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:09,589 become you know self-publishing so 1404 01:03:15,700 --> 01:03:12,799 that's what I did you know and UFOs over 1405 01:03:18,729 --> 01:03:15,710 Poland was it was the 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Peric ask.com better you than 1526 01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:14,450 me I never thought of being a book 1527 01:08:18,519 --> 01:08:16,370 publisher Phillip mantle maybe I should 1528 01:08:21,700 --> 01:08:18,529 have been another life tried to be that 1529 01:08:26,079 --> 01:08:21,710 you know I followed up UFOs with a pole 1530 01:08:27,940 --> 01:08:26,089 the the author done facts EHD had 1531 01:08:30,430 --> 01:08:27,950 written an article for me which I found 1532 01:08:32,019 --> 01:08:30,440 excellent dancers well I've got a lot of 1533 01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:32,029 more information but it's all in 1534 01:08:36,970 --> 01:08:35,359 Romanian so you know he translated it 1535 01:08:38,710 --> 01:08:36,980 you put it into a book format and I 1536 01:08:40,750 --> 01:08:38,720 published it accordingly 1537 01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:40,760 you know from a financial point of view 1538 01:08:44,860 --> 01:08:43,040 I think I just about you know got my 1539 01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:44,870 money back so it certainly wasn't a 1540 01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:46,880 money-making exercise I just wanted to 1541 01:08:55,599 --> 01:08:50,890 be able to share this information with 1542 01:08:57,490 --> 01:08:55,609 those you know wanted it and and I'm 1543 01:08:58,900 --> 01:08:57,500 glad I did and you know I'm still 1544 01:09:01,840 --> 01:08:58,910 continuing to do that 1545 01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:01,850 although I have a book now ready to go 1546 01:09:08,890 --> 01:09:06,890 at some point on UFOs in Italy by dr. 1547 01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:08,900 Roberto be naughty 1548 01:09:14,530 --> 01:09:12,080 I've also just published one that stood 1549 01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:14,540 up a little bit of a hornet's nest by 1550 01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:16,490 Andrew pike and perplex an 1551 01:09:21,099 --> 01:09:19,250 astrophysicist in the UK and he's called 1552 01:09:22,660 --> 01:09:21,109 it the Rendlesham file which is all 1553 01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:22,670 about you know the Rendlesham forest 1554 01:09:29,950 --> 01:09:25,970 until it's back in December 1982 here in 1555 01:09:31,630 --> 01:09:29,960 the UK and again you know it's a 1556 01:09:33,789 --> 01:09:31,640 fascinating book whether you agree with 1557 01:09:36,490 --> 01:09:33,799 these conclusions or not is entirely up 1558 01:09:39,220 --> 01:09:36,500 to you but Andrew had self-published it 1559 01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,230 back in 2005 I want to say 1560 01:09:44,260 --> 01:09:41,359 self-published it I think it was you 1561 01:09:47,950 --> 01:09:44,270 know more on on on CDs and given away 1562 01:09:50,230 --> 01:09:47,960 and I had no intentions of publishing it 1563 01:09:52,570 --> 01:09:50,240 in any I heard him complaining that not 1564 01:09:55,930 --> 01:09:52,580 one would publish it so I said well I 1565 01:09:58,750 --> 01:09:55,940 will and the updated it published it's a 1566 01:10:01,180 --> 01:09:58,760 huge great Tom it's over 700 pages I 1567 01:10:02,620 --> 01:10:01,190 didn't know that one executive to 1568 01:10:04,710 --> 01:10:02,630 publish it you should have seen me 1569 01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:04,720 editing in G and it took me ages but 1570 01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:07,850 everybody's satisfied with the finished 1571 01:10:11,399 --> 01:10:09,920 products but like I said well do you 1572 01:10:13,919 --> 01:10:11,409 agree with these conclusions and 1573 01:10:16,409 --> 01:10:13,929 a different matter but again it's it's 1574 01:10:19,589 --> 01:10:16,419 providing that information to whoever 1575 01:10:21,719 --> 01:10:19,599 wants to read it a reasonable cost there 1576 01:10:23,399 --> 01:10:21,729 has to be a copyist book you know ya 1577 01:10:26,009 --> 01:10:23,409 can't print it for free of charge I'm 1578 01:10:27,870 --> 01:10:26,019 afraid this information that previously 1579 01:10:30,330 --> 01:10:27,880 wasn't there in the public domain I mean 1580 01:10:33,029 --> 01:10:30,340 you know it's it's it's all of Andrews 1581 01:10:34,620 --> 01:10:33,039 research on this particular incident and 1582 01:10:37,589 --> 01:10:34,630 there will be more to come in the future 1583 01:10:39,659 --> 01:10:37,599 I can assure you we're gonna have him on 1584 01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:39,669 the show so I don't want to prejudge 1585 01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:42,400 what he's doing but what do you think in 1586 01:10:46,409 --> 01:10:44,320 general he brings to the table that we 1587 01:10:49,109 --> 01:10:46,419 haven't heard already with other books 1588 01:10:53,339 --> 01:10:49,119 about Rendlesham all the endless 1589 01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:53,349 discussions all that sort of thing well 1590 01:10:58,350 --> 01:10:55,570 you know ever since I became involved in 1591 01:11:00,419 --> 01:10:58,360 UFO research there's always been a 1592 01:11:03,509 --> 01:11:00,429 saying that you know before when we we 1593 01:11:08,449 --> 01:11:03,519 had more scientists involved we have 1594 01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:08,459 this you know he's a bonafide 1595 01:11:15,659 --> 01:11:11,679 astrophysicist he's not a UFO researcher 1596 01:11:17,729 --> 01:11:15,669 he makes that perfectly clear it's this 1597 01:11:21,709 --> 01:11:17,739 morning since that for whatever reasons 1598 01:11:25,109 --> 01:11:21,719 as has interested him and he has taken a 1599 01:11:27,179 --> 01:11:25,119 scientific look at the question he's not 1600 01:11:29,699 --> 01:11:27,189 saying for example he's not a banker 1601 01:11:31,739 --> 01:11:29,709 he's saying these gentlemen didn't 1602 01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:31,749 experience something peculiar he's 1603 01:11:36,020 --> 01:11:33,760 saying yes I agree they did they had 1604 01:11:39,390 --> 01:11:36,030 these bizarre events these bizarre 1605 01:11:41,339 --> 01:11:39,400 sightings the chronological list them he 1606 01:11:44,399 --> 01:11:41,349 goes he publishes it all in depth and 1607 01:11:46,409 --> 01:11:44,409 then he look at various aspects of 1608 01:11:48,659 --> 01:11:46,419 research he said he's coming on your 1609 01:11:52,469 --> 01:11:48,669 show so I won't put words into his mouth 1610 01:11:54,959 --> 01:11:52,479 and he has come his own conclusions from 1611 01:11:57,089 --> 01:11:54,969 a scientific point of view and what I've 1612 01:11:59,489 --> 01:11:57,099 said is you don't have to agree with us 1613 01:12:03,270 --> 01:11:59,499 but you certainly can't not his 1614 01:12:05,819 --> 01:12:03,280 methodology at least it's research the 1615 01:12:10,529 --> 01:12:05,829 way he's gone about things so I think 1616 01:12:14,370 --> 01:12:10,539 any scientific addition to the UFO 1617 01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:14,380 research publications can only be can 1618 01:12:21,209 --> 01:12:16,719 only be appreciated we don't have a lot 1619 01:12:22,670 --> 01:12:21,219 of scientists who are willing to work on 1620 01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:22,680 the subject and 1621 01:12:28,010 --> 01:12:25,250 you know have their name user a 1622 01:12:31,190 --> 01:12:28,020 conversation people down the years but 1623 01:12:34,130 --> 01:12:31,200 he was names you know I spoil their 1624 01:12:36,350 --> 01:12:34,140 careers or whatever but you know Andrews 1625 01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:36,360 not afraid of anything like yeah but he 1626 01:12:40,700 --> 01:12:38,370 does make it quandary it's nothing UFO 1627 01:12:42,370 --> 01:12:40,710 researcher he's a scientist to look at 1628 01:12:44,900 --> 01:12:42,380 it from a scientific point of view 1629 01:12:47,660 --> 01:12:44,910 whereas you know I think every other 1630 01:12:50,230 --> 01:12:47,670 publication or or about this particular 1631 01:12:53,060 --> 01:12:50,240 series of events has come from other 1632 01:12:55,580 --> 01:12:53,070 ufologists also of the witnesses with 1633 01:12:58,370 --> 01:12:55,590 their or Nick Pope and so on so I think 1634 01:13:00,110 --> 01:12:58,380 it's it should be a refreshing look at 1635 01:13:01,550 --> 01:13:00,120 leave the subject from a scientific 1636 01:13:03,230 --> 01:13:01,560 point of view and that should be 1637 01:13:04,580 --> 01:13:03,240 welcomed you say you don't have to agree 1638 01:13:06,710 --> 01:13:04,590 with these conclusions 1639 01:13:08,300 --> 01:13:06,720 some people were already disagreeing 1640 01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:08,310 with these conclusions before they even 1641 01:13:12,890 --> 01:13:10,050 read the book which I thought would be 1642 01:13:16,190 --> 01:13:12,900 odd but there you go but I think any any 1643 01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:16,200 scientific import should be welcomed you 1644 01:13:18,890 --> 01:13:17,520 know Andrew will tell you all about it 1645 01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:18,900 when you speak to imaging and I don't 1646 01:13:21,890 --> 01:13:20,490 think it would disappointed might not 1647 01:13:24,260 --> 01:13:21,900 agree with him I don't think it'd be 1648 01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:24,270 disappointed what is your feeling about 1649 01:13:33,170 --> 01:13:29,610 the problems with Larry Warren and his 1650 01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:33,180 particular position in this where it 1651 01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:35,760 turns out that he had lied about a lot 1652 01:13:41,390 --> 01:13:38,880 of things in his life supposedly and 1653 01:13:44,150 --> 01:13:41,400 there was a very public breakup with his 1654 01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:44,160 co-author Peter Robbins and of course 1655 01:13:48,380 --> 01:13:46,530 that's part of what we find in the UFO 1656 01:13:50,270 --> 01:13:48,390 field anyway that people get together 1657 01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:50,280 and they break up they're like Simon and 1658 01:13:57,380 --> 01:13:55,290 Garfunkel so what is it there how does 1659 01:14:00,710 --> 01:13:57,390 someone like that get away for so long 1660 01:14:02,900 --> 01:14:00,720 with Lisa we're making things up the 1661 01:14:04,580 --> 01:14:02,910 thing about Laurie is you know he has 1662 01:14:07,190 --> 01:14:04,590 these supporters 1663 01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:07,200 I think how these detractors what I have 1664 01:14:13,220 --> 01:14:09,930 said to people is back in in the 90s 1665 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:13,230 when their book left the Eastgate 1666 01:14:19,340 --> 01:14:17,370 published stay with me my house with my 1667 01:14:20,990 --> 01:14:19,350 wife stayed a few days and they were 1668 01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:21,000 perfect houseguests I you know I 1669 01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:23,850 couldn't I must to meet two nicer 1670 01:14:28,490 --> 01:14:26,970 gentlemen I also attended a couple of 1671 01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:28,500 their presentations costs they were 1672 01:14:33,620 --> 01:14:32,130 nearby and I distinctly remember but one 1673 01:14:35,390 --> 01:14:33,630 of them while he said you know you take 1674 01:14:36,770 --> 01:14:35,400 Larry Warren out of the story and 1675 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:36,780 there's still a story 1676 01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:41,970 and then last year I interviewed a 1677 01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:44,970 gentleman called Steve long Garrow he 1678 01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:47,520 lives in the United States he's a 1679 01:14:53,540 --> 01:14:50,970 retired police officer now but he was at 1680 01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:53,550 Rendlesham back in 1980 he was one of 1681 01:14:58,730 --> 01:14:56,850 the security staff involved now Steve 1682 01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:58,740 had never gone on the record before he 1683 01:15:02,690 --> 01:15:00,000 was known as being one of the 1684 01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:02,700 participants but for some reason you 1685 01:15:07,670 --> 01:15:04,410 know nobody thought to interview him so 1686 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:07,680 I interviewed him on the telephone and I 1687 01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:11,010 asked him specifically if Larry Warren 1688 01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:13,410 was there did you see him and he said 1689 01:15:18,110 --> 01:15:15,090 yes and I asked him I think two or three 1690 01:15:22,130 --> 01:15:18,120 times just to qualify it and he said yes 1691 01:15:24,290 --> 01:15:22,140 why Larry was there so make of that what 1692 01:15:28,370 --> 01:15:24,300 you will there are others that said well 1693 01:15:30,500 --> 01:15:28,380 no it wasn't there so you know lying you 1694 01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:30,510 know is a character and I haven't 1695 01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:34,080 followed the fallout that that's gone on 1696 01:15:38,540 --> 01:15:36,000 because there's been a lot of arguments 1697 01:15:39,980 --> 01:15:38,550 to and fro to be honest you know it's 1698 01:15:42,980 --> 01:15:39,990 not something I'm I'm really that 1699 01:15:44,810 --> 01:15:42,990 interested in I've got better things to 1700 01:15:46,970 --> 01:15:44,820 do with my time and to see who was out 1701 01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:46,980 doing with somebody about personal 1702 01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:49,890 matters and I've left them to it I 1703 01:15:54,100 --> 01:15:52,410 haven't really followed that channel I 1704 01:15:57,770 --> 01:15:54,110 know him and Peter Robbins 1705 01:16:00,410 --> 01:15:57,780 parted company and and those accusations 1706 01:16:03,140 --> 01:16:00,420 going to and throw at the end of the day 1707 01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:03,150 Jeanne there were people that will 1708 01:16:07,850 --> 01:16:05,520 believe Larry Haley's story and there 1709 01:16:09,470 --> 01:16:07,860 are people that don't believe him and 1710 01:16:11,930 --> 01:16:09,480 that's not gonna change no matter what 1711 01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:11,940 you say so I've kept well out of it all 1712 01:16:16,700 --> 01:16:14,370 I can say when Larry stayed with me it 1713 01:16:19,190 --> 01:16:16,710 was a perfect gentleman he wasn't drunk 1714 01:16:20,990 --> 01:16:19,200 he wasn't taking drugs he wasn't telling 1715 01:16:24,350 --> 01:16:21,000 lies he wasn't trying to sell me any 1716 01:16:25,940 --> 01:16:24,360 Beatles member will continue with a 1717 01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:25,950 fascinating discussion with Philip 1718 01:16:30,650 --> 01:16:28,080 mantel our 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[Music] 1830 01:20:59,780 --> 01:20:57,659 hi this is Bryce Abel I'm the producer 1831 01:21:01,700 --> 01:20:59,790 of dark skies the co-author of AD after 1832 01:21:03,879 --> 01:21:01,710 disclosure and you are listening to the 1833 01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:03,889 para cast the gold standard of 1834 01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:06,250 paranormal radio 1835 01:21:15,890 --> 01:21:13,489 [Music] 1836 01:21:18,350 --> 01:21:15,900 well we'll leave it there I don't know 1837 01:21:20,569 --> 01:21:18,360 whether we want to bring Larry Warren on 1838 01:21:23,660 --> 01:21:20,579 to the power cast or not I know when we 1839 01:21:27,649 --> 01:21:23,670 had Peter Robbins on he said he did not 1840 01:21:30,350 --> 01:21:27,659 want to talk about it he had published a 1841 01:21:33,229 --> 01:21:30,360 blog entry along blog about what 1842 01:21:38,089 --> 01:21:33,239 happened and why and we provided a link 1843 01:21:39,290 --> 01:21:38,099 to it and it hasn't been raised since so 1844 01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:39,300 we'll leave it at that 1845 01:21:45,799 --> 01:21:43,050 well lobby's comes here and I I am Larry 1846 01:21:48,859 --> 01:21:45,809 MPT speaker it's a conference of mine 1847 01:21:50,810 --> 01:21:48,869 and they were excellent I also met Larry 1848 01:21:52,970 --> 01:21:50,820 a couple of conferences in the United 1849 01:21:55,959 --> 01:21:52,980 States I think it's part of the UFO 1850 01:21:59,470 --> 01:21:55,969 field though we get involved in 1851 01:22:04,810 --> 01:21:59,480 personality issues for better or worse 1852 01:22:13,209 --> 01:22:09,950 personalities wish I hadn't so however 1853 01:22:16,669 --> 01:22:13,219 tempted I may be to say something on 1854 01:22:18,890 --> 01:22:16,679 social media you know I try to be brain 1855 01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:18,900 as best as I can I think I've managed 1856 01:22:24,379 --> 01:22:22,050 pretty good because you know competitive 1857 01:22:27,500 --> 01:22:24,389 things to do and I'm not gonna wait but 1858 01:22:29,859 --> 01:22:27,510 my time on such things you know what 1859 01:22:33,319 --> 01:22:29,869 I've been seriously ill down the years 1860 01:22:35,299 --> 01:22:33,329 you know and so time is very precious to 1861 01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:35,309 me and I'm not gonna waste it arguing 1862 01:22:39,529 --> 01:22:37,530 about whether he said she said she said 1863 01:22:41,930 --> 01:22:39,539 he said and all about I just know it's a 1864 01:22:44,089 --> 01:22:41,940 waste of time but isn't it true that we 1865 01:22:47,930 --> 01:22:44,099 have to understand what's going on with 1866 01:22:52,430 --> 01:22:47,940 these controversial situations and set 1867 01:22:57,259 --> 01:22:52,440 them aside if it turns out to disprove a 1868 01:22:59,720 --> 01:22:57,269 particular case if mr. Smith was a 1869 01:23:03,020 --> 01:22:59,730 witness to a particular incident 1870 01:23:05,870 --> 01:23:03,030 whatever that instant may be and then at 1871 01:23:09,740 --> 01:23:05,880 some point further down the line he's 1872 01:23:12,919 --> 01:23:09,750 accused of you know doing something you 1873 01:23:17,359 --> 01:23:12,929 know illegal or offensive does that 1874 01:23:21,020 --> 01:23:17,369 negate in the original incident way back 1875 01:23:25,580 --> 01:23:21,030 lots of she does maybe maybe does I 1876 01:23:26,300 --> 01:23:25,590 don't know but I you know put so now is 1877 01:23:30,050 --> 01:23:26,310 a person 1878 01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:30,060 holidays but is an unfortunate part of 1879 01:23:34,910 --> 01:23:32,610 the UFO research field Alan say old 1880 01:23:37,940 --> 01:23:34,920 fields as well I'm sure if you're a you 1881 01:23:40,370 --> 01:23:37,950 know a train spotter are usually ask the 1882 01:23:41,690 --> 01:23:40,380 person you know in certain groups like 1883 01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:41,700 that we'll also I mean we're all human 1884 01:23:48,100 --> 01:23:46,410 we all have personalities but actually I 1885 01:23:50,300 --> 01:23:48,110 keep well away from it you know 1886 01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:50,310 personality became involved in the 1887 01:23:56,260 --> 01:23:54,000 Roswell slides but you know you know any 1888 01:24:00,680 --> 01:23:56,270 comments from me you know publicly about 1889 01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:00,690 him or her or it's a lot on that so we 1890 01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:04,800 have to be aware of it the wall gene it 1891 01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:08,090 really does just let it go and move on 1892 01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:11,520 I've got a question that it's sort of 1893 01:24:19,700 --> 01:24:13,920 tangental to that but I see that one of 1894 01:24:23,660 --> 01:24:19,710 your projects is reprinting the book UFO 1895 01:24:27,260 --> 01:24:23,670 contact at Pascagoula that's correct 1896 01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:27,270 I am yes that well I'm interested in 1897 01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:34,560 that case from one thing and the book is 1898 01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:37,170 book is rare it was printed in 1983 it's 1899 01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:39,450 been unavailable for a long time so I'm 1900 01:24:43,370 --> 01:24:41,130 glad to see that that'll be available 1901 01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:43,380 again but the reason I mentioned that in 1902 01:24:49,690 --> 01:24:45,360 its connection to what we were just 1903 01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:49,700 talking about was that the two witnesses 1904 01:24:54,830 --> 01:24:52,770 Calvin Parker and Charles Hickson after 1905 01:24:57,380 --> 01:24:54,840 the event they did a number of 1906 01:25:02,030 --> 01:24:57,390 appearances at conferences on television 1907 01:25:05,330 --> 01:25:02,040 shows and they werent while they seemed 1908 01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:05,340 credible and their experience seemed 1909 01:25:09,440 --> 01:25:07,410 genuine some of the things they became 1910 01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:09,450 involved with Leiter seemed questionable 1911 01:25:16,340 --> 01:25:14,370 and and it was Calvin Parker who even 1912 01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:16,350 claimed to have some psychic abilities 1913 01:25:21,610 --> 01:25:18,480 at one time there were there were few 1914 01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:21,620 further encounters and they became I 1915 01:25:27,550 --> 01:25:25,370 remember seeing a video clip of Charles 1916 01:25:30,500 --> 01:25:27,560 Hickson and he was referring to 1917 01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:30,510 Professor Adamski and and at this time 1918 01:25:35,570 --> 01:25:31,890 Adamski should have been long 1919 01:25:37,130 --> 01:25:35,580 discredited so it just seemed like there 1920 01:25:39,860 --> 01:25:37,140 were some problems and maybe some 1921 01:25:42,230 --> 01:25:39,870 gullibility in just like if he 1922 01:25:45,290 --> 01:25:42,240 started off as a credible person and you 1923 01:25:47,810 --> 01:25:45,300 became the new follow G and it clouded 1924 01:25:49,550 --> 01:25:47,820 the issue it sort of reflects badly on 1925 01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:49,560 the original siding I actually 1926 01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:51,090 introduced a lot of things every but I 1927 01:25:54,410 --> 01:25:52,800 do want you to kind of comment on some 1928 01:25:57,470 --> 01:25:54,420 of that because the book was published 1929 01:26:00,200 --> 01:25:57,480 in 1980 if you try and buy a copy also 1930 01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:00,210 not on my leg so I decided to take 1931 01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:05,280 permission to to republish it I got so I 1932 01:26:09,730 --> 01:26:06,960 had to sit down and rewrite it 1933 01:26:12,350 --> 01:26:09,740 you know myself which I have done and 1934 01:26:16,130 --> 01:26:12,360 there are little bits of what you're 1935 01:26:19,220 --> 01:26:16,140 saying no Charles Hickson talks about 1936 01:26:21,470 --> 01:26:19,230 some of the precise he had and was like 1937 01:26:23,570 --> 01:26:21,480 almost like a mini contactee afterwards 1938 01:26:27,470 --> 01:26:23,580 so that is in the book yeah that part is 1939 01:26:32,780 --> 01:26:27,480 not hidden but I've also noticed with 1940 01:26:35,180 --> 01:26:32,790 other UFO witnesses some famous some not 1941 01:26:37,220 --> 01:26:35,190 famous I mean an old Betty hill I 1942 01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:37,230 claimed to have seen a number of other 1943 01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:43,050 things down the years that I knew very 1944 01:26:48,350 --> 01:26:45,930 well was a former police officer sadly 1945 01:26:51,230 --> 01:26:48,360 it's no longer with us but I think when 1946 01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:51,240 you total these UFO sightings that were 1947 01:26:55,930 --> 01:26:52,530 in the hundreds by the time we'd 1948 01:26:58,700 --> 01:26:55,940 finished but I have no doubt that 1949 01:27:00,830 --> 01:26:58,710 originally he did confront the UFO 1950 01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:00,840 phenomena whatever it is you know up 1951 01:27:04,070 --> 01:27:02,130 close and personal 1952 01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:04,080 now we have a couple of interesting 1953 01:27:09,890 --> 01:27:07,650 photographs from him as well so things 1954 01:27:12,860 --> 01:27:09,900 can at times get kind of muddled 1955 01:27:15,950 --> 01:27:12,870 afterwards for whatever reason however I 1956 01:27:18,110 --> 01:27:15,960 you know I don't know I mean I've 1957 01:27:20,990 --> 01:27:18,120 interviewed a number of abductees here 1958 01:27:23,570 --> 01:27:21,000 in the UK and met them personally and I 1959 01:27:26,660 --> 01:27:23,580 know a couple of them became spiritual 1960 01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:26,670 healers you know up there and they 1961 01:27:30,590 --> 01:27:28,530 booked this down as something that 1962 01:27:33,380 --> 01:27:30,600 happened to them after their encounter 1963 01:27:35,900 --> 01:27:33,390 that the encounter itself was 1964 01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:35,910 responsible for it if it opened these 1965 01:27:42,100 --> 01:27:38,370 other senses if you like that's what 1966 01:27:45,050 --> 01:27:42,110 they claimed so it's not unheard of and 1967 01:27:47,690 --> 01:27:45,060 you know it was a different era back in 1968 01:27:51,009 --> 01:27:47,700 the 1970s when these two gentlemen went 1969 01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:51,019 public I think the way that 1970 01:27:58,509 --> 01:27:54,050 the UFO researchers at the time handled 1971 01:28:00,270 --> 01:27:58,519 them was very different to how we would 1972 01:28:05,049 --> 01:28:00,280 do it today for example they were 1973 01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:05,059 hypnotized him yeah I was a then I found 1974 01:28:10,930 --> 01:28:08,570 a story she has been part of you Father 1975 01:28:13,359 --> 01:28:10,940 we didn't advocate the use of any kind 1976 01:28:15,339 --> 01:28:13,369 of hypnosis although I have sat in on 1977 01:28:20,049 --> 01:28:15,349 session and watched it purely as an 1978 01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:20,059 observer and and we know that Calvin you 1979 01:28:26,319 --> 01:28:23,570 know himself built three weeks after the 1980 01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:26,329 event I had a breakdown there was 1981 01:28:32,620 --> 01:28:28,249 hospitalized and I think it was a couple 1982 01:28:34,989 --> 01:28:32,630 more times later in his life well I mean 1983 01:28:37,209 --> 01:28:34,999 Siddhant Lee I've just spoken to Calvin 1984 01:28:39,279 --> 01:28:37,219 on the Typhon just a couple of weeks ago 1985 01:28:42,489 --> 01:28:39,289 so I have made contact with him first by 1986 01:28:44,140 --> 01:28:42,499 email and then on the telephone and I 1987 01:28:47,259 --> 01:28:44,150 want to have promised to do we send him 1988 01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:47,269 a copy of the book whenever when it's 1989 01:28:52,180 --> 01:28:49,489 completed which I'm working on as we 1990 01:28:54,759 --> 01:28:52,190 speak but he's a fascinating ebay 1991 01:28:57,489 --> 01:28:54,769 antenna enough before attract Calvin 1992 01:28:59,049 --> 01:28:57,499 down on us I contacted a number of 1993 01:29:03,489 --> 01:28:59,059 people who I thought might be able to 1994 01:29:07,060 --> 01:29:03,499 help some of whom had met Calvin Hannah 1995 01:29:09,390 --> 01:29:07,070 I've met Charles Hickson as well and the 1996 01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:09,400 set of Calvin of course that you know we 1997 01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:11,570 respected with what he may have claimed 1998 01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:13,280 he was one of the nicest people that 1999 01:29:19,899 --> 01:29:15,170 they could ever wish to me a real real 2000 01:29:24,580 --> 01:29:19,909 nice guy so it's a fascinating event 2001 01:29:27,009 --> 01:29:24,590 Kerr and I'm you know publishing shortly 2002 01:29:30,009 --> 01:29:27,019 if I can get the time to do that I'm 2003 01:29:31,149 --> 01:29:30,019 working on it as we speak so I'm you 2004 01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:31,159 know it should be out within the next 2005 01:29:33,609 --> 01:29:31,730 few weeks 2006 01:29:34,810 --> 01:29:33,619 well it's a fascinating account and 2007 01:29:36,790 --> 01:29:34,820 again I haven't done it for any real 2008 01:29:39,250 --> 01:29:36,800 monetary reasons but quite the opposite 2009 01:29:40,540 --> 01:29:39,260 I wanted a copy of the book and I paid a 2010 01:29:42,489 --> 01:29:40,550 fortune for it 2011 01:29:45,279 --> 01:29:42,499 I looked at prices online and I thought 2012 01:29:48,580 --> 01:29:45,289 wow is this thing printed in gold leaf 2013 01:29:50,799 --> 01:29:48,590 so you know I bought a copy and read it 2014 01:29:53,140 --> 01:29:50,809 read it again and I thought this really 2015 01:29:55,450 --> 01:29:53,150 needs to be made available I don't like 2016 01:29:58,419 --> 01:29:55,460 to use this word but but I will do I'm a 2017 01:30:02,799 --> 01:29:58,429 fan if you like of that type of event 2018 01:30:04,779 --> 01:30:02,809 and that that era and so it was a 2019 01:30:09,189 --> 01:30:04,789 logical thing for me to want 2020 01:30:11,739 --> 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01:35:19,460 --> 01:35:15,630 pascagoula episode and you're talking to 2134 01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:19,470 us about how philip you track down the 2135 01:35:24,440 --> 01:35:21,840 details of the case go ahead yeah I mean 2136 01:35:26,150 --> 01:35:24,450 I tracked down Calvin Parker I knew 2137 01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:26,160 Charles Hickson was deceased 2138 01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:29,010 and I contacted the Mook form 2139 01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:31,650 representative in Mississippi gentleman 2140 01:35:42,290 --> 01:35:40,170 whose name I can't remember off you know 2141 01:35:44,630 --> 01:35:42,300 because I was I was hoping that you know 2142 01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:44,640 made sense to me that the mobile phone 2143 01:35:49,670 --> 01:35:47,250 rep you mrs. Sibley might be able to 2144 01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:49,680 help locate him well it never heard of 2145 01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:51,810 the case all he did was send me a number 2146 01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:54,000 of links to articles about it online 2147 01:35:58,160 --> 01:35:56,010 which I could find for myself I didn't 2148 01:36:00,260 --> 01:35:58,170 know I didn't need to search online I 2149 01:36:01,580 --> 01:36:00,270 wasn't after than any information I was 2150 01:36:03,860 --> 01:36:01,590 just trying to find the gentleman 2151 01:36:06,500 --> 01:36:03,870 anyway family with another colleagues 2152 01:36:07,970 --> 01:36:06,510 help well we're talking again only about 2153 01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:07,980 you know cooperating and working 2154 01:36:13,970 --> 01:36:11,610 together happen in a smaller way it 2155 01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:13,980 helping me trying to find Calvin Parker 2156 01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:15,930 died I contacted a number of colleagues 2157 01:36:21,590 --> 01:36:19,050 different parts and one of them said 2158 01:36:24,500 --> 01:36:21,600 yeah I have his email from a few years 2159 01:36:27,350 --> 01:36:24,510 ago from him here you go and it still 2160 01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:27,360 looked and I responded he gave me 2161 01:36:31,190 --> 01:36:28,890 formula and I spoke to him on the phone 2162 01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:31,200 I will be sending him a copy of the book 2163 01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:32,970 you know out of respect when it when 2164 01:36:37,190 --> 01:36:35,010 it's published which hopefully won't be 2165 01:36:39,140 --> 01:36:37,200 long so again it's just another small 2166 01:36:41,420 --> 01:36:39,150 example of how you know working together 2167 01:36:43,340 --> 01:36:41,430 we can we can find an end result that 2168 01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:43,350 was amazed with this gentleman in 2169 01:36:47,630 --> 01:36:45,090 Mississippi I never even heard of the 2170 01:36:52,010 --> 01:36:47,640 case so I really was but having said 2171 01:36:55,220 --> 01:36:52,020 that I also found it a vindication of me 2172 01:36:57,620 --> 01:36:55,230 wanting to publish the book because they 2173 01:36:59,330 --> 01:36:57,630 for all I know I don't know how old this 2174 01:37:02,750 --> 01:36:59,340 gentleman is I might be doing them a 2175 01:37:06,110 --> 01:37:02,760 disservice there may be a whole 2176 01:37:10,190 --> 01:37:06,120 generation you know people out there 2177 01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:10,200 that I've never heard about it and it's 2178 01:37:14,330 --> 01:37:12,000 on the Internet which can be good bad or 2179 01:37:16,460 --> 01:37:14,340 indifferent you know that so he is the 2180 01:37:20,510 --> 01:37:16,470 first-hand account and I think the 2181 01:37:21,980 --> 01:37:20,520 author really Mendez has done a did a 2182 01:37:23,930 --> 01:37:21,990 very good job with the book 2183 01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:23,940 research into the case I mean he started 2184 01:37:28,700 --> 01:37:26,250 off as a skeptic he didn't believe 2185 01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:28,710 Charlie and he saw him on the TV made it 2186 01:37:32,750 --> 01:37:30,330 for us to begin with didn't believe him 2187 01:37:34,820 --> 01:37:32,760 and it's only through his research his 2188 01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:34,830 investigation as he carried on that he 2189 01:37:40,190 --> 01:37:38,610 became more and more convinced that you 2190 01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:40,200 know something off think it could happen 2191 01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:43,290 to these two gentlemen and I tend to 2192 01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:45,450 agree with him after reading it and 2193 01:37:55,100 --> 01:37:51,930 rewriting it so soon you know it's 2194 01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:55,110 interesting how we have gone back and 2195 01:37:59,270 --> 01:37:56,970 looked over some of these older cases 2196 01:38:00,800 --> 01:37:59,280 Kevin Randall has done some of that he 2197 01:38:03,370 --> 01:38:00,810 recently came out with a book where he 2198 01:38:06,410 --> 01:38:03,380 looked over the Socorro New Mexico case 2199 01:38:07,490 --> 01:38:06,420 with you know some details that hadn't 2200 01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:07,500 been explored before 2201 01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:10,890 and also dealing with the claims it was 2202 01:38:16,060 --> 01:38:13,650 a hoax and kind of putting that aside he 2203 01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:16,070 also did a book while back called 2204 01:38:21,620 --> 01:38:19,050 Roswell in the 21st century where he 2205 01:38:24,350 --> 01:38:21,630 came to the conclusion that certain bits 2206 01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:24,360 of evidence that were relied on in the 2207 01:38:30,440 --> 01:38:27,570 past really didn't have enough to 2208 01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:30,450 sustain them so certain things that we 2209 01:38:35,900 --> 01:38:32,970 thought about Roswell such as the 2210 01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:35,910 possible alien bodies didn't have that 2211 01:38:39,410 --> 01:38:37,890 level of support and we're seeing also 2212 01:38:41,990 --> 01:38:39,420 as we look into the older cases 2213 01:38:45,050 --> 01:38:42,000 sometimes they hold up sometimes they 2214 01:38:49,100 --> 01:38:45,060 don't so looking back at Pascagoula and 2215 01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:49,110 that particular episode is part of that 2216 01:38:54,440 --> 01:38:51,650 tradition don't you think absolutely 2217 01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:54,450 Kevin's book Rose one in the 21st 2218 01:39:04,580 --> 01:39:00,290 I do have his book encounter in the 2219 01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:04,590 desert so yes I it's not revisionist 2220 01:39:09,950 --> 01:39:07,890 history it's looking back when when will 2221 01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:09,960 you have the opportunity or what were 2222 01:39:14,780 --> 01:39:12,000 prompted to do so for some reason you 2223 01:39:16,250 --> 01:39:14,790 know not just to write a book there may 2224 01:39:18,740 --> 01:39:16,260 be something crop up and thinks well 2225 01:39:20,990 --> 01:39:18,750 perhaps you know we best take another 2226 01:39:23,090 --> 01:39:21,000 look at that I mean they do it in the 2227 01:39:25,130 --> 01:39:23,100 criminal justice system you know with 2228 01:39:27,710 --> 01:39:25,140 people who are convicted there are old 2229 01:39:29,450 --> 01:39:27,720 crimes and they look back at them and 2230 01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:29,460 one of the reasons that they've done 2231 01:39:33,180 --> 01:39:31,050 that is because some people were 2232 01:39:36,150 --> 01:39:33,190 innocent and then you know the look back 2233 01:39:38,850 --> 01:39:36,160 and they've got out of prison so there's 2234 01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:38,860 always a you know a good reading but it 2235 01:39:43,020 --> 01:39:40,930 just annoyed me gentleman that you know 2236 01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:43,030 what I wanted to buy a copy of the book 2237 01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:46,480 you know I think you know the sort of 2238 01:39:52,380 --> 01:39:50,290 starting asking price was like $75 and 2239 01:39:53,700 --> 01:39:52,390 it goes anything up to you know to bring 2240 01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:53,710 a hundred dollars for a coffee and that 2241 01:39:58,290 --> 01:39:56,050 annoys the living daylights out of me so 2242 01:40:00,360 --> 01:39:58,300 but I did reluctantly buy a copy and 2243 01:40:02,610 --> 01:40:00,370 then when I'm ready again decided well I 2244 01:40:04,230 --> 01:40:02,620 want to republish this and make it you 2245 01:40:05,580 --> 01:40:04,240 know readily available you don't keep 2246 01:40:09,090 --> 01:40:05,590 you're not gonna get ripped off if you 2247 01:40:11,490 --> 01:40:09,100 want to buy a copy back yeah I mean who 2248 01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:11,500 knows where things will go with Calvin 2249 01:40:16,830 --> 01:40:14,770 I've tried to you know to offer the hand 2250 01:40:21,150 --> 01:40:16,840 of friendship out there across the 2251 01:40:24,420 --> 01:40:21,160 Atlantic and you know and I've spoken to 2252 01:40:25,950 --> 01:40:24,430 him and his wife as well and I've said 2253 01:40:27,330 --> 01:40:25,960 I'll speak to him again in the New Year 2254 01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:27,340 I'll let Christmas get out of the way 2255 01:40:31,020 --> 01:40:29,530 I'll send him a copy of the book and 2256 01:40:33,900 --> 01:40:31,030 maybe you marry me you know I'll have 2257 01:40:35,460 --> 01:40:33,910 some information that will you know shed 2258 01:40:37,830 --> 01:40:35,470 light on other things that perhaps we 2259 01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:37,840 haven't thought about or like was saying 2260 01:40:42,510 --> 01:40:39,850 he might tell us some of the more exotic 2261 01:40:44,100 --> 01:40:42,520 things that he claimed were the reason 2262 01:40:45,690 --> 01:40:44,110 is behind it or not we'll have to wait 2263 01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:45,700 and see you you know you never know but 2264 01:40:50,460 --> 01:40:47,170 there's nothing wrong with looking back 2265 01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:50,470 it's part of our history did you learn 2266 01:40:55,410 --> 01:40:53,170 anything in going back through this case 2267 01:40:57,240 --> 01:40:55,420 and looking it over that caused you to 2268 01:41:00,200 --> 01:40:57,250 change anything or want to change 2269 01:41:04,290 --> 01:41:00,210 anything in that book when I look back I 2270 01:41:05,850 --> 01:41:04,300 you know we get criticized a lot for for 2271 01:41:08,580 --> 01:41:05,860 just being involved in the subject in 2272 01:41:11,730 --> 01:41:08,590 the first place and some people claim 2273 01:41:14,820 --> 01:41:11,740 that you know polity hasn't moved only 2274 01:41:17,850 --> 01:41:14,830 done anything well like I said the way 2275 01:41:20,850 --> 01:41:17,860 the two gentlemen were treated by you 2276 01:41:24,420 --> 01:41:20,860 followed young and you know the news 2277 01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:24,430 media was you know diabolical there's no 2278 01:41:30,990 --> 01:41:26,320 way when you meet two gentleman who was 2279 01:41:33,770 --> 01:41:31,000 clearly as distressed as they were that 2280 01:41:37,220 --> 01:41:33,780 was proven by the sheriff's secret tape 2281 01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:37,230 that was an to where they reported their 2282 01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:41,410 encounter to jeez Sheriff's Department 2283 01:41:46,229 --> 01:41:43,930 I'm going to be there in a couple of 2284 01:41:50,130 --> 01:41:46,239 hours after this had happened 2285 01:41:52,110 --> 01:41:50,140 when at one point I'm in a room on their 2286 01:41:53,729 --> 01:41:52,120 own don't be known to mommy's left the 2287 01:41:57,570 --> 01:41:53,739 tape recorder was a secret tape 2288 01:41:59,700 --> 01:41:57,580 recording and he thought you know why 2289 01:42:01,380 --> 01:41:59,710 they take back it didn't they continued 2290 01:42:04,890 --> 01:42:01,390 exactly the way they had their were 2291 01:42:07,229 --> 01:42:04,900 worried it would happen almost prayed to 2292 01:42:09,870 --> 01:42:07,239 God at one point so a lot of emphasis 2293 01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:09,880 would put on that irrespective of what 2294 01:42:13,050 --> 01:42:11,410 them they may have put about thank you 2295 01:42:15,420 --> 01:42:13,060 powers later on that you know the tapes 2296 01:42:18,780 --> 01:42:15,430 downs very credible evidence that 2297 01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:18,790 something really extraordinary had 2298 01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:20,290 happened to these two government and 2299 01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:22,960 they were clearly distressed about it so 2300 01:42:29,690 --> 01:42:25,330 when you have two people like that so 2301 01:42:32,340 --> 01:42:29,700 distressed under such pressure I mean 2302 01:42:34,830 --> 01:42:32,350 the reason is they reported is the 2303 01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:34,840 Sheriff's Department is because they 2304 01:42:39,870 --> 01:42:37,930 said oh you will not tell anyone but of 2305 01:42:43,290 --> 01:42:39,880 course the Sheriff's Department let the 2306 01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:43,300 story loose how why I'm entirely sure 2307 01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:47,050 the media you know how these gentlemen 2308 01:42:51,780 --> 01:42:49,450 I'm gonna say how good I really do mean 2309 01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:51,790 hounded so I think the last thing they 2310 01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:01,590 would like if something like in 2311 01:43:05,459 --> 01:43:03,730 Mississippi here where I live in West 2312 01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:05,469 Yorkshire that they treated in a 2313 01:43:10,290 --> 01:43:07,600 different manner so I think there's 2314 01:43:12,390 --> 01:43:10,300 lessons to be learned there yes I wanted 2315 01:43:14,310 --> 01:43:12,400 to say something about about the case 2316 01:43:16,650 --> 01:43:14,320 because this was the first thing this 2317 01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:16,660 was this happened in duremar early teens 2318 01:43:21,420 --> 01:43:19,810 and I really didn't get every detail of 2319 01:43:23,490 --> 01:43:21,430 the case but you know it was in the 2320 01:43:27,209 --> 01:43:23,500 newspapers of the television I mean it 2321 01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:27,219 was it was huge and I think trot Nixon 2322 01:43:31,500 --> 01:43:29,170 who may have been the only UFO witness 2323 01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:31,510 to go and Johnny Carson's Tonight Show I 2324 01:43:37,140 --> 01:43:35,410 mean it was it was a mainstream yeah 2325 01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:37,150 there was mainstream coverage of the 2326 01:43:42,090 --> 01:43:40,930 events and they were sort of minor 2327 01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:42,100 celebrities think there were a lot of 2328 01:43:48,750 --> 01:43:45,040 talk show appearances and nothing today 2329 01:43:51,150 --> 01:43:48,760 receives this kind of attention so it 2330 01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:51,160 was it was it had a huge cultural impact 2331 01:43:55,979 --> 01:43:53,650 and you know everyone's heard of Travis 2332 01:43:57,290 --> 01:43:55,989 Walton but you know this just came later 2333 01:44:00,170 --> 01:43:57,300 and 2334 01:44:01,580 --> 01:44:00,180 it was another unique thing about it was 2335 01:44:05,780 --> 01:44:01,590 you mentioned the police report this 2336 01:44:07,460 --> 01:44:05,790 happened immediately after and you think 2337 01:44:09,110 --> 01:44:07,470 how fast things happen today with 2338 01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:09,120 internet coverage well this was so 2339 01:44:13,430 --> 01:44:11,970 remarkable that it was reported 2340 01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:13,440 immediately after it happened the the 2341 01:44:18,170 --> 01:44:15,840 hypnosis the investigation the publicity 2342 01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:18,180 was all media you know the hill case 2343 01:44:22,820 --> 01:44:20,730 took years for that to break and other 2344 01:44:25,220 --> 01:44:22,830 other people have only recovered 2345 01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:25,230 memories later after hypnosis but this 2346 01:44:29,570 --> 01:44:27,210 was this was happening almost in real 2347 01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:29,580 time and it was phenomenal and it has 2348 01:44:34,550 --> 01:44:31,770 its you know even if you don't believe 2349 01:44:36,980 --> 01:44:34,560 the case it's just the study of it from 2350 01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:36,990 a cultural perspective it's fascinating 2351 01:44:41,780 --> 01:44:39,810 I know that Greg Bishop is one of his 2352 01:44:43,670 --> 01:44:41,790 favorite cases I think it's gonna be 2353 01:44:45,440 --> 01:44:43,680 covered in part in his new book so 2354 01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:45,450 there's there's a lot of interest in 2355 01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:50,730 this it's one of the things that it's it 2356 01:44:56,150 --> 01:44:53,250 does sort of bridge the conte contact 2357 01:44:58,730 --> 01:44:56,160 here at the modern era and it sort also 2358 01:45:02,510 --> 01:44:58,740 begins the era where there's like the 2359 01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:02,520 more dark sinister aspect to UFOs and 2360 01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:06,000 abductions we're gonna continue with 2361 01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:08,130 this and I know that Philip has a 2362 01:45:12,370 --> 01:45:10,800 response to what Curt just said and 2363 01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:12,380 we'll get to that in the next segment 2364 01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:15,360 Curt Collins is our guest co-hosts we 2365 01:45:29,339 --> 01:45:19,410 have Philip mantel I'm gene Steinberg 2366 01:45:37,780 --> 01:45:33,280 thank you for listening to GCN 2367 01:45:40,030 --> 01:45:37,790 be sure to visit GCN live.com today we 2368 01:45:43,300 --> 01:45:40,040 also have swag you know we have all 2369 01:45:44,140 --> 01:45:43,310 these exclusive para cast things that 2370 01:45:46,090 --> 01:45:44,150 you can buy 2371 01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:46,100 we've got like I guess 60 or so 2372 01:45:52,510 --> 01:45:48,890 different items and entails t-shirts 2373 01:45:55,810 --> 01:45:52,520 sleeves for notebook computers iPad 2374 01:45:58,150 --> 01:45:55,820 cases mouse pads the para cast jumbo 2375 01:45:59,950 --> 01:45:58,160 tote bag all sorts of t-shirts and 2376 01:46:03,220 --> 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01:48:05,150 --> 01:48:03,210 here's Jane Steinberg Chris O'Brien is 2419 01:48:07,730 --> 01:48:05,160 off on a special assignment 2420 01:48:09,380 --> 01:48:07,740 Kirk Owens is our guest co-host we got 2421 01:48:11,960 --> 01:48:09,390 him here at the last minute Phillip 2422 01:48:14,120 --> 01:48:11,970 mantel talking about the Pascagoula 2423 01:48:15,980 --> 01:48:14,130 Mississippi case in light of the 2424 01:48:17,990 --> 01:48:15,990 republication of a book about it 2425 01:48:20,930 --> 01:48:18,000 a reminder also that we have a second 2426 01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:20,940 radio show after the power cast which 2427 01:48:25,820 --> 01:48:23,970 extends this show has other interviews 2428 01:48:28,570 --> 01:48:25,830 other information that will be 2429 01:48:32,330 --> 01:48:28,580 fascinating to you as Phillip mentioned 2430 01:48:34,730 --> 01:48:32,340 right now Greg Bishop is working on a 2431 01:48:37,250 --> 01:48:34,740 book about contactees with Adam go 2432 01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:37,260 rightly that'll be out soon we'll have 2433 01:48:42,650 --> 01:48:40,170 an episode featuring one or both of them 2434 01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:42,660 in the meantime last week's after the 2435 01:48:47,210 --> 01:48:45,450 power cast had Greg cotton so isn't that 2436 01:48:49,820 --> 01:48:47,220 fascinating but you can only get after 2437 01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:49,830 the power cast if you subscribe to the 2438 01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:52,290 power cast plus go to plus dot the power 2439 01:48:58,010 --> 01:48:54,960 cast come for more information on how to 2440 01:49:00,050 --> 01:48:58,020 sign up plus dot the power cast com 2441 01:49:03,500 --> 01:49:00,060 you also get a version of this show free 2442 01:49:09,290 --> 01:49:03,510 of the network as Phillip Mantha 2443 01:49:12,130 --> 01:49:09,300 continue the was finished they didn't 2444 01:49:14,540 --> 01:49:12,140 want to tell anybody but these suddenly 2445 01:49:16,310 --> 01:49:14,550 dawns gentlemen they thought well this 2446 01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:16,320 might happen to someone else what could 2447 01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:19,170 be an invasion so they they stopped to a 2448 01:49:26,120 --> 01:49:22,320 public telephone pay phone and they 2449 01:49:28,490 --> 01:49:26,130 phoned Keesler Air Force Base and the 2450 01:49:30,350 --> 01:49:28,500 salary like the lady who haunts it would 2451 01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:30,360 just be numb you know woken up and she 2452 01:49:33,410 --> 01:49:32,880 said oh really doesn't do anything like 2453 01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:33,420 that anymore 2454 01:49:37,220 --> 01:49:35,370 ring the Sheriff's Department so they 2455 01:49:38,810 --> 01:49:37,230 took off and we're gonna go home again 2456 01:49:41,060 --> 01:49:38,820 and then we'll actually nearer to home 2457 01:49:42,740 --> 01:49:41,070 then they decided no we should ring the 2458 01:49:45,050 --> 01:49:42,750 you know the Sheriff's Department they 2459 01:49:46,190 --> 01:49:45,060 discussed it between them in the car as 2460 01:49:48,500 --> 01:49:46,200 they were going so they rang the 2461 01:49:52,130 --> 01:49:48,510 Sheriff's Department and ended up and 2462 01:49:53,870 --> 01:49:52,140 said everything and dr. Hynek Allen 2463 01:49:57,920 --> 01:49:53,880 Hynek and dr. Hajra were down there 2464 01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:57,930 within within 48 hours interviewing the 2465 01:50:00,650 --> 01:49:59,040 man in question 2466 01:50:04,820 --> 01:50:00,660 and high-neck had chance to listen to 2467 01:50:07,340 --> 01:50:04,830 the the secrets the cherished tape which 2468 01:50:08,840 --> 01:50:07,350 Parkin and groups were not aware of at 2469 01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:08,850 the time and didn't hear it for quite a 2470 01:50:14,300 --> 01:50:11,370 long time he made a statement did dr. 2471 01:50:16,190 --> 01:50:14,310 Hynek saying you know the family 2472 01:50:19,100 --> 01:50:16,200 gentleman to be authentic and they 2473 01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:19,110 believed them they had a an encounter 2474 01:50:24,050 --> 01:50:22,170 whatever it was I don't have his exact 2475 01:50:26,210 --> 01:50:24,060 quote with me but and that exact quote 2476 01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:26,220 from dr. knit will be on probably on the 2477 01:50:30,890 --> 01:50:28,530 back cover of the book I which featured 2478 01:50:33,440 --> 01:50:30,900 in it but it was an example as Kurt said 2479 01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:33,450 I mean the two gentlemen looked at the 2480 01:50:37,400 --> 01:50:35,610 incident differently Charles Hickson 2481 01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:37,410 have been a veteran of the Korean War 2482 01:50:42,620 --> 01:50:41,130 and Calvin was only 19 at the time so 2483 01:50:46,550 --> 01:50:42,630 there was a quite an age difference as 2484 01:50:49,670 --> 01:50:46,560 well and Charlie Higson thought it was 2485 01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:49,680 important to tell people about this 2486 01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:51,810 incident you know and I've met others 2487 01:50:55,460 --> 01:50:53,610 here in the UK who felt exactly the same 2488 01:50:57,950 --> 01:50:55,470 they felt that you know people must know 2489 01:51:00,620 --> 01:50:57,960 about it so whenever record he took the 2490 01:51:04,460 --> 01:51:00,630 opportunity to talk about it that was a 2491 01:51:05,930 --> 01:51:04,470 UFO symposiums TV I think these first TV 2492 01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:05,940 show might have been the Dick Cavett 2493 01:51:15,530 --> 01:51:11,489 show whatever that is you know Calvin 2494 01:51:18,380 --> 01:51:15,540 Parker was quite the opposite he didn't 2495 01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:18,390 want to talk about it in fact he'd been 2496 01:51:21,590 --> 01:51:19,890 living at Charlie's house and he went 2497 01:51:24,500 --> 01:51:21,600 back home we live do you know over 100 2498 01:51:26,300 --> 01:51:24,510 miles away and just a few weeks after 2499 01:51:28,550 --> 01:51:26,310 the event had a breakdown and handled in 2500 01:51:30,950 --> 01:51:28,560 hospital so we have the opposite he did 2501 01:51:33,260 --> 01:51:30,960 not want to talk about it to anyone any 2502 01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:33,270 one of the things that William ender 2503 01:51:38,180 --> 01:51:35,010 says in writing the book there were at 2504 01:51:40,100 --> 01:51:38,190 times when they had no idea where Calvin 2505 01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:40,110 was you know when they tried to contact 2506 01:51:43,100 --> 01:51:42,330 him he did not you know it affected him 2507 01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:43,110 so badly 2508 01:51:47,420 --> 01:51:45,210 it wasn't hiding trying to keep away 2509 01:51:49,550 --> 01:51:47,430 from people just the effect he had on 2510 01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:49,560 him and I've interviewed a young young 2511 01:51:53,420 --> 01:51:51,570 man here many many years ago and he was 2512 01:51:55,820 --> 01:51:53,430 very similar today he didn't have a 2513 01:51:58,160 --> 01:51:55,830 breakdown where he wasn't proud and it 2514 01:52:00,200 --> 01:51:58,170 terrified the living daylights out him 2515 01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:00,210 and he did not like talking about it 2516 01:52:05,390 --> 01:52:03,090 even to me and so I you know I can 2517 01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:05,400 understand that and he is a fascinating 2518 01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:07,050 account I'm saying you're not we don't 2519 01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:08,489 have to agree with it you can look at 2520 01:52:12,500 --> 01:52:10,410 this account from whatever way he wants 2521 01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:12,510 like Curt was saying from even from 2522 01:52:16,820 --> 01:52:13,610 court 2523 01:52:18,650 --> 01:52:16,830 perspective but it is surely fascinating 2524 01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:18,660 and I will be making it available pretty 2525 01:52:22,729 --> 01:52:20,610 soon and if you gentlemen would like a 2526 01:52:24,770 --> 01:52:22,739 copy of the manuscript in advance I 2527 01:52:27,290 --> 01:52:24,780 gladly sent you it you know on email not 2528 01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:27,300 not a problem with the greatest of 2529 01:52:31,880 --> 01:52:29,489 pleasure we did have a few questions 2530 01:52:34,430 --> 01:52:31,890 from listeners Dane did we wanted to 2531 01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:34,440 bring those in this is a good time yes 2532 01:52:37,010 --> 01:52:35,040 go ahead 2533 01:52:39,380 --> 01:52:37,020 there was one about now this is a change 2534 01:52:42,350 --> 01:52:39,390 of subject but this is from Ron away 2535 01:52:44,450 --> 01:52:42,360 he's from Liverpool and he says earlier 2536 01:52:47,240 --> 01:52:44,460 this year I am two other pair cast 2537 01:52:49,250 --> 01:52:47,250 listeners dogs inspector 73 went to a 2538 01:52:51,229 --> 01:52:49,260 paranormal conference conference and 2539 01:52:52,940 --> 01:52:51,239 Falkirk I can only speak for herself 2540 01:52:56,360 --> 01:52:52,950 want to say that I found the event to be 2541 01:52:59,030 --> 01:52:56,370 slightly ludicrous and felt left feeling 2542 01:53:01,190 --> 01:52:59,040 jaded and disappointed having never been 2543 01:53:03,229 --> 01:53:01,200 to one before and not wanting to give up 2544 01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:03,239 after my first attempt are there any 2545 01:53:09,380 --> 01:53:06,690 events coming into Europe UK in 2018 2546 01:53:12,740 --> 01:53:09,390 that you will recommend there are events 2547 01:53:14,630 --> 01:53:12,750 you get I'm not directly involved with 2548 01:53:18,890 --> 01:53:14,640 any of them so I have no vested interest 2549 01:53:21,740 --> 01:53:18,900 but I spoke at one this year in Hall 2550 01:53:25,459 --> 01:53:21,750 which is in East Yorkshire and it was 2551 01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:25,469 organized by Outer Limits magazine which 2552 01:53:30,729 --> 01:53:27,930 is a free online magazine published 2553 01:53:34,370 --> 01:53:30,739 bimonthly it was their first event 2554 01:53:36,280 --> 01:53:34,380 don't worry well so next year they're 2555 01:53:39,650 --> 01:53:36,290 doing another one in September 2556 01:53:42,140 --> 01:53:39,660 it's the mixed magazine we were talking 2557 01:53:44,510 --> 01:53:42,150 about this particular incident earlier 2558 01:53:48,170 --> 01:53:44,520 on but one of their main speakers is 2559 01:53:49,459 --> 01:53:48,180 Colonel hopped the prom you know rebel 2560 01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:49,469 ship it was the deputy base commander 2561 01:53:53,330 --> 01:53:51,570 I'm one of the main witnesses at the 2562 01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:53,340 time superhot with one of the main 2563 01:53:56,630 --> 01:53:56,010 speakers there will be a different 2564 01:53:59,060 --> 01:53:56,640 perspective 2565 01:54:00,890 --> 01:53:59,070 there'll be Mary Rodwell from Australia 2566 01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:00,900 although she's originally from the UK 2567 01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:04,170 looking at close encounter cases as well 2568 01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:06,930 as the local UFO researchers John Hanson 2569 01:54:12,860 --> 01:54:09,930 and passing Claire and Chris Eva's as 2570 01:54:15,170 --> 01:54:12,870 well so it is all about UFOs there's not 2571 01:54:17,540 --> 01:54:15,180 paranormal involved in it whatsoever I 2572 01:54:19,190 --> 01:54:17,550 would certainly recommend that who 2573 01:54:22,940 --> 01:54:19,200 knowing the gentleman that organized 2574 01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:22,950 wait was organized this year I've only 2575 01:54:27,970 --> 01:54:25,010 briefly some years back and 2576 01:54:29,950 --> 01:54:27,980 and so I'm sure that would be what I 2577 01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:29,960 would recommend there are with us that 2578 01:54:34,150 --> 01:54:32,210 happen up and down the country you know 2579 01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:34,160 cuz I know vested interests in any of 2580 01:54:37,930 --> 01:54:36,290 them I'm not a member of anything so you 2581 01:54:39,940 --> 01:54:37,940 have to take you pick some time to take 2582 01:54:41,380 --> 01:54:39,950 a choice but I could recommend on that 2583 01:54:44,440 --> 01:54:41,390 one because I know the people involved 2584 01:54:46,180 --> 01:54:44,450 there was a question from Blowfish who 2585 01:54:48,190 --> 01:54:46,190 had her nest where he wanted to ask 2586 01:54:50,140 --> 01:54:48,200 about to speak secret space program and 2587 01:54:53,140 --> 01:54:50,150 we covered that but he didn't want to 2588 01:54:55,600 --> 01:54:53,150 know about this is this is something 2589 01:54:56,920 --> 01:54:55,610 people frequently want to know and I'm 2590 01:54:59,800 --> 01:54:56,930 sure you've answered this before I 2591 01:55:03,930 --> 01:54:59,810 wanted to know what you considered your 2592 01:55:06,700 --> 01:55:03,940 best UFO sighting but he also asks about 2593 01:55:09,370 --> 01:55:06,710 debunked cases so if you give us an 2594 01:55:11,200 --> 01:55:09,380 example of of one of your best cases and 2595 01:55:14,110 --> 01:55:11,210 one of the cases that you thought had 2596 01:55:17,170 --> 01:55:14,120 been you know eliminated and and 2597 01:55:19,810 --> 01:55:17,180 explained hoaxes or otherwise yeah 2598 01:55:24,820 --> 01:55:19,820 absolutely I mean you know far from 2599 01:55:26,470 --> 01:55:24,830 where I live and in the early 1980s we 2600 01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:26,480 had a site phone call from a lady who 2601 01:55:31,780 --> 01:55:29,450 who started to say you won't believe me 2602 01:55:36,130 --> 01:55:31,790 you won't believe me and she was called 2603 01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:36,140 mrs. Weston and Julian in a small mining 2604 01:55:43,420 --> 01:55:40,130 town component in West Yorkshire myself 2605 01:55:46,950 --> 01:55:43,430 that would sell for all society when did 2606 01:55:51,370 --> 01:55:46,960 the other lady and sighting she had was 2607 01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:51,380 almost summers day she was washing the 2608 01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:54,890 dishes after lunch she lived in elevated 2609 01:55:59,800 --> 01:55:56,570 house she actually went up this has two 2610 01:56:02,890 --> 01:55:59,810 front door the children were playing a 2611 01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:02,900 ball game outside st. ball game I played 2612 01:56:10,030 --> 01:56:07,450 when I was their age five children and 2613 01:56:11,320 --> 01:56:10,040 the lovely summer's day the ball went 2614 01:56:15,880 --> 01:56:11,330 into the air the children were playing 2615 01:56:18,100 --> 01:56:15,890 with at least saw this object come out 2616 01:56:19,630 --> 01:56:18,110 the sky and angled stopped a million and 2617 01:56:21,940 --> 01:56:19,640 dropped to the ground now where they 2618 01:56:24,550 --> 01:56:21,950 live was a cul-de-sac be on the 2619 01:56:25,870 --> 01:56:24,560 cul-de-sac was some trees and some 2620 01:56:28,480 --> 01:56:25,880 electricity pylons 2621 01:56:32,410 --> 01:56:28,490 so they were running the house and they 2622 01:56:35,290 --> 01:56:32,420 said mom mom this banana plane crashed 2623 01:56:37,090 --> 01:56:35,300 in the field so mrs. Weston came out at 2624 01:56:38,590 --> 01:56:37,100 the front door like I said it's animated 2625 01:56:38,920 --> 01:56:38,600 bouncing from that position you could 2626 01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:38,930 see 2627 01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:44,090 what she described to me as Mexican hat 2628 01:56:49,960 --> 01:56:46,970 shaped object on the ground but it was 2629 01:56:52,990 --> 01:56:49,970 silver income so she got the children 2630 01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:53,000 they walked across the field at one 2631 01:56:58,090 --> 01:56:54,890 point they were down a small dip so the 2632 01:56:59,980 --> 01:56:58,100 law society is the subject up the other 2633 01:57:03,640 --> 01:56:59,990 side of the dip and there was a fence 2634 01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:03,650 around this thing I had my eye on today 2635 01:57:09,250 --> 01:57:06,530 and now not only was this object there 2636 01:57:11,380 --> 01:57:09,260 there was three tall men you know all 2637 01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:11,390 white all dressed in 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the para cast dot-com okay 2736 02:02:08,689 --> 02:02:03,449 there a point here for the mantle 2737 02:02:11,870 --> 02:02:08,699 they're wearing mittens not gloves very 2738 02:02:14,270 --> 02:02:11,880 close and the children wanted to climb 2739 02:02:17,179 --> 02:02:14,280 the fence to get into the field the mom 2740 02:02:21,949 --> 02:02:17,189 held them back at this point these the 2741 02:02:24,739 --> 02:02:21,959 men watch this thing off once he had 2742 02:02:26,540 --> 02:02:24,749 came and now we interview this lady and 2743 02:02:28,189 --> 02:02:26,550 all the children even interview one of 2744 02:02:30,979 --> 02:02:28,199 the children's friends now he hadn't 2745 02:02:32,479 --> 02:02:30,989 been a witness the event what he'd been 2746 02:02:35,569 --> 02:02:32,489 playing with the children when he'd gone 2747 02:02:39,290 --> 02:02:35,579 on to his own house for lunch and then 2748 02:02:41,600 --> 02:02:39,300 come back and he was a bit miffed that 2749 02:02:44,330 --> 02:02:41,610 he had witnessed it but he told us you 2750 02:02:46,129 --> 02:02:44,340 know about all the excitement now this 2751 02:02:47,989 --> 02:02:46,139 was a mining community there was coal 2752 02:02:50,419 --> 02:02:47,999 mines a big coal mining industry in the 2753 02:02:52,339 --> 02:02:50,429 area on it was at the time and whilst 2754 02:02:54,739 --> 02:02:52,349 this is not scientific I grew up in a 2755 02:02:57,919 --> 02:02:54,749 very similar environment my father 2756 02:03:01,009 --> 02:02:57,929 worked down the clock his life and the 2757 02:03:02,870 --> 02:03:01,019 title of people I've grown up with so we 2758 02:03:05,000 --> 02:03:02,880 came to the conclusion that you know 2759 02:03:06,889 --> 02:03:05,010 this story was either Reno or they were 2760 02:03:09,439 --> 02:03:06,899 light and they couldn't find any reason 2761 02:03:11,600 --> 02:03:09,449 why they were lying at all but what did 2762 02:03:13,339 --> 02:03:11,610 perplex Missy's Westerman was the fact 2763 02:03:16,310 --> 02:03:13,349 that this was a lovely summer's day 2764 02:03:18,199 --> 02:03:16,320 lots of people what about that is a main 2765 02:03:21,709 --> 02:03:18,209 motorway what you probably call a 2766 02:03:25,069 --> 02:03:21,719 highway right next to them yet nobody 2767 02:03:27,020 --> 02:03:25,079 else came forward nobody she expected it 2768 02:03:30,589 --> 02:03:27,030 to be in the newspaper the next day or 2769 02:03:32,359 --> 02:03:30,599 on TV or whatever not a thing and down 2770 02:03:34,339 --> 02:03:32,369 the years we would run the story a 2771 02:03:37,699 --> 02:03:34,349 couple of times in the in the local 2772 02:03:39,469 --> 02:03:37,709 press and we've had no more feedback so 2773 02:03:41,209 --> 02:03:39,479 it was one that's always stuck with me I 2774 02:03:43,069 --> 02:03:41,219 get him you can call it your best on 2775 02:03:45,529 --> 02:03:43,079 whatever you and it's what's always 2776 02:03:48,020 --> 02:03:45,539 stuck in my head the other part of the 2777 02:03:49,250 --> 02:03:48,030 question is you know is that an incident 2778 02:03:54,109 --> 02:03:49,260 you've been involved with us being 2779 02:03:57,169 --> 02:03:54,119 explained found to be fake well you know 2780 02:03:59,359 --> 02:03:57,179 I was involved rightly or wrongly with 2781 02:04:01,040 --> 02:03:59,369 the alien autopsy film and of course 2782 02:04:02,710 --> 02:04:01,050 after many years 2783 02:04:05,840 --> 02:04:02,720 took me many years of extensive research 2784 02:04:07,220 --> 02:04:05,850 working with colleagues at times in 2785 02:04:09,650 --> 02:04:07,230 different parts of the world but 2786 02:04:11,810 --> 02:04:09,660 eventually I got to the bottom of it all 2787 02:04:14,090 --> 02:04:11,820 it was one big hopes made for Molly I 2788 02:04:17,450 --> 02:04:14,100 know the man that that led the team that 2789 02:04:20,900 --> 02:04:17,460 faked it most of the ins and outs of how 2790 02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:20,910 it was made and of course in 1995 itself 2791 02:04:25,760 --> 02:04:23,010 was a huge phenomenon around the world 2792 02:04:28,910 --> 02:04:25,770 it was on Fox TV in the United States 2793 02:04:31,790 --> 02:04:28,920 from channel 4 here newspapers magazines 2794 02:04:35,000 --> 02:04:31,800 I mean you name it I got quite a lot of 2795 02:04:37,640 --> 02:04:35,010 stick for being involved in it from from 2796 02:04:40,250 --> 02:04:37,650 all quarters because rightly or wrongly 2797 02:04:42,140 --> 02:04:40,260 what I did publicly I tended to support 2798 02:04:45,380 --> 02:04:42,150 the gentleman and released it which was 2799 02:04:47,510 --> 02:04:45,390 Ray Santilli but that was something I 2800 02:04:49,310 --> 02:04:47,520 get on purpose because behind the scenes 2801 02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:49,320 I was trying to figure out what was what 2802 02:04:52,640 --> 02:04:50,970 was going on I was working with 2803 02:04:55,430 --> 02:04:52,650 colleagues done it to different parts of 2804 02:04:57,530 --> 02:04:55,440 the world so there was too soft sides to 2805 02:04:59,270 --> 02:04:57,540 my research there was the public one and 2806 02:05:01,430 --> 02:04:59,280 that was the one that I kept secret from 2807 02:05:03,830 --> 02:05:01,440 Ray Santilli you know I've even heard 2808 02:05:06,350 --> 02:05:03,840 from him this this year you know it 2809 02:05:08,360 --> 02:05:06,360 never stops but it is our hopes there 2810 02:05:10,940 --> 02:05:08,370 are people who still believe it's 2811 02:05:14,390 --> 02:05:10,950 authentic but it's not it is one big 2812 02:05:17,030 --> 02:05:14,400 hoax it was a sensation at the time they 2813 02:05:19,610 --> 02:05:17,040 have the the one that I I think it's 2814 02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:19,620 back to one of my top 10 and then is 2815 02:05:24,890 --> 02:05:21,530 something else that turned out to be a 2816 02:05:26,860 --> 02:05:24,900 huge money-making hopes and and I hope 2817 02:05:29,510 --> 02:05:26,870 that answers the gentleman's question 2818 02:05:32,390 --> 02:05:29,520 believe you have a book on that but is 2819 02:05:34,280 --> 02:05:32,400 there and isn't done there's a site by I 2820 02:05:37,220 --> 02:05:34,290 forgot now the model maker doesn't here 2821 02:05:39,380 --> 02:05:37,230 but a film or a sign out from if someone 2822 02:05:43,070 --> 02:05:39,390 wants more information on that that hoax 2823 02:05:45,620 --> 02:05:43,080 a book about it's called possible alien 2824 02:05:47,570 --> 02:05:45,630 autopsy it's available online 2825 02:05:49,630 --> 02:05:47,580 the gentleman who led the team at fake 2826 02:05:52,670 --> 02:05:49,640 titties cause we're asking hilarious 2827 02:05:54,890 --> 02:05:52,680 spin-offs is a character he's alright 2828 02:05:57,320 --> 02:05:54,900 you know even the first train is a young 2829 02:05:59,750 --> 02:05:57,330 man to be a auto mechanic then want to 2830 02:06:02,390 --> 02:05:59,760 be a magician which he still is he's a 2831 02:06:05,830 --> 02:06:02,400 piece of working magician he also is a 2832 02:06:08,330 --> 02:06:05,840 filmmaker businessman so he's got many 2833 02:06:10,010 --> 02:06:08,340 many different talents too 2834 02:06:12,140 --> 02:06:10,020 it's a long story of how he became 2835 02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:12,150 involved with Ray Santilli and and he 2836 02:06:17,060 --> 02:06:13,530 made the film you know 2837 02:06:21,590 --> 02:06:17,070 and so 'is the guy that made it just so 2838 02:06:24,410 --> 02:06:21,600 happened his friend was a sculptor some 2839 02:06:28,400 --> 02:06:24,420 repute his friend you know sculpted the 2840 02:06:31,730 --> 02:06:28,410 dummy's made they made and it was all 2841 02:06:33,560 --> 02:06:31,740 planned you know the Spirit is 2842 02:06:35,690 --> 02:06:33,570 girlfriend at the time he studied the 2843 02:06:38,770 --> 02:06:35,700 medical side of things so they got that 2844 02:06:40,850 --> 02:06:38,780 right all the props were hired from 2845 02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:40,860 different places and sent to different 2846 02:06:45,410 --> 02:06:42,810 addresses nobody could you know 2847 02:06:47,500 --> 02:06:45,420 cross-check so it was planned very oh 2848 02:06:49,640 --> 02:06:47,510 and I've seen all of your offices 2849 02:06:51,500 --> 02:06:49,650 information on this he's you know he 2850 02:06:54,680 --> 02:06:51,510 kept a diary at the time I've seen all 2851 02:07:00,500 --> 02:06:54,690 his research files he did you know 2852 02:07:03,350 --> 02:07:00,510 paintings about the subject to give him 2853 02:07:06,380 --> 02:07:03,360 an idea of what to do a storyboard you 2854 02:07:09,170 --> 02:07:06,390 might say and huge research files I mean 2855 02:07:11,450 --> 02:07:09,180 folders upon folders of them faxes from 2856 02:07:17,480 --> 02:07:11,460 Kodak and all host of other things 2857 02:07:19,130 --> 02:07:17,490 so it was a hoax that's Sporus now he's 2858 02:07:23,480 --> 02:07:19,140 trying to set the record straight 2859 02:07:26,420 --> 02:07:23,490 because according to him they didn't 2860 02:07:28,550 --> 02:07:26,430 make it for any the original idea was to 2861 02:07:31,670 --> 02:07:28,560 release it and then six months later 2862 02:07:34,250 --> 02:07:31,680 maybe you know hope their hands say look 2863 02:07:36,680 --> 02:07:34,260 how well we did but recently you know 2864 02:07:39,230 --> 02:07:36,690 cried wolf saw spirits just went on 2865 02:07:41,780 --> 02:07:39,240 playing left him to it he was amazed 2866 02:07:43,910 --> 02:07:41,790 when when he found looked into how much 2867 02:07:47,690 --> 02:07:43,920 money that had been made of it so it was 2868 02:07:50,390 --> 02:07:47,700 not after any financial reward he's just 2869 02:07:52,760 --> 02:07:50,400 trying to set the record straight he's 2870 02:07:55,880 --> 02:07:52,770 working on his own book I have read some 2871 02:07:58,190 --> 02:07:55,890 of it it's not finished so he you know 2872 02:08:02,570 --> 02:07:58,200 he is available you should interviewing 2873 02:08:05,780 --> 02:08:02,580 genius quarry I can assure you look it 2874 02:08:07,970 --> 02:08:05,790 is a hoax and you know there are people 2875 02:08:10,040 --> 02:08:07,980 who will not believe yourselves no 2876 02:08:13,060 --> 02:08:10,050 matter what I say or what Speer offices 2877 02:08:16,550 --> 02:08:13,070 or anyone else them otherwise that's 2878 02:08:18,860 --> 02:08:16,560 right isn't that really part and part of 2879 02:08:22,100 --> 02:08:18,870 what we see in the UFO field over the 2880 02:08:24,340 --> 02:08:22,110 years we expose a hoax it's gone 2881 02:08:26,640 --> 02:08:24,350 complete we know this is fake and that 2882 02:08:29,550 --> 02:08:26,650 just keeps coming back 2883 02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:29,560 and I'll give you one example of a case 2884 02:08:35,490 --> 02:08:32,890 that seems to return all the time is ask 2885 02:08:39,030 --> 02:08:35,500 tech New Mexico and there's a million 2886 02:08:40,680 --> 02:08:39,040 reasons why I think that there's no 2887 02:08:44,610 --> 02:08:40,690 Providence to that story 2888 02:08:46,250 --> 02:08:44,620 in fact we had some one retired engineer 2889 02:08:50,370 --> 02:08:46,260 who lived in Aztec 2890 02:08:54,570 --> 02:08:50,380 back in 1948 he went to a class reunion 2891 02:08:57,200 --> 02:08:54,580 and asked all the people he knew did 2892 02:09:03,410 --> 02:08:57,210 this happen nobody remembers it the 2893 02:09:06,530 --> 02:09:03,420 incident didn't occur to anyone until 2894 02:09:10,380 --> 02:09:06,540 the Scully book was written a 2895 02:09:12,650 --> 02:09:10,390 best-seller by the way well yeah it's 2896 02:09:16,680 --> 02:09:12,660 the will to believe for whatever reason 2897 02:09:20,100 --> 02:09:16,690 Jean could you know there is no reason 2898 02:09:22,110 --> 02:09:20,110 not to Bill Eva and you know the 2899 02:09:23,790 --> 02:09:22,120 gentleman here now he has a Facebook 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Dempsie case died years 3025 02:15:02,460 --> 02:14:59,710 ago as we know our old friend the late 3026 02:15:06,240 --> 02:15:02,470 Jim Mosely actually published at George 3027 02:15:09,120 --> 02:15:06,250 Adamski expose Edition back in 1957 3028 02:15:11,670 --> 02:15:09,130 we've got the text of it linked online 3029 02:15:14,220 --> 02:15:11,680 at the Jim Mosley com website thanks to 3030 02:15:17,850 --> 02:15:14,230 Kirk Collins by the way for putting up 3031 02:15:20,070 --> 02:15:17,860 all that material and Jim did a really 3032 02:15:22,580 --> 02:15:20,080 credible job with the writers he was 3033 02:15:25,410 --> 02:15:22,590 working with with no budget whatever 3034 02:15:27,510 --> 02:15:25,420 really pulling apart the Adamski story 3035 02:15:30,020 --> 02:15:27,520 even the people who supposedly were 3036 02:15:33,240 --> 02:15:30,030 witnesses didn't really witness anything 3037 02:15:35,780 --> 02:15:33,250 but the case never dies 3038 02:15:39,000 --> 02:15:35,790 we had Timothy good on the show a couple 3039 02:15:41,370 --> 02:15:39,010 of three years ago and he seems to 3040 02:15:43,050 --> 02:15:41,380 believe in a damn ski now then we have 3041 02:15:45,000 --> 02:15:43,060 this foundation or something where they 3042 02:15:48,690 --> 02:15:45,010 offered me someone that representative 3043 02:15:50,880 --> 02:15:48,700 and I had some back-and-forth with the 3044 02:15:53,280 --> 02:15:50,890 person who wrote me and none of the 3045 02:15:57,120 --> 02:15:53,290 things none of the facts that exposed 3046 02:15:59,250 --> 02:15:57,130 Adamski were even on their radar they 3047 02:16:01,920 --> 02:15:59,260 never heard of it they heard one version 3048 02:16:05,040 --> 02:16:01,930 of the case being a damn skis version 3049 02:16:07,140 --> 02:16:05,050 and all the expose the photographs and 3050 02:16:08,490 --> 02:16:07,150 everything else they knew nothing about 3051 02:16:11,310 --> 02:16:08,500 it and we're talking about something 3052 02:16:12,780 --> 02:16:11,320 that happened decades ago the issue 3053 02:16:21,780 --> 02:16:12,790 should have been over and done with and 3054 02:16:23,730 --> 02:16:21,790 that's what happens in this field I met 3055 02:16:27,210 --> 02:16:23,740 a few years bucky's from the continental 3056 02:16:29,460 --> 02:16:27,220 Europe know a book about Adamski like I 3057 02:16:32,070 --> 02:16:29,470 said I met Glenn step in many years 3058 02:16:35,610 --> 02:16:32,080 Bucky at a conference in düsseldorf in 3059 02:16:37,980 --> 02:16:35,620 Germany and even ones dearest ones the 3060 02:16:40,170 --> 02:16:37,990 George Adamski foundation so you know 3061 02:16:43,130 --> 02:16:40,180 the will to believe is their gene and 3062 02:16:45,210 --> 02:16:43,140 and there's no matter what you say to 3063 02:16:47,130 --> 02:16:45,220 these people who believe in these 3064 02:16:50,160 --> 02:16:47,140 incidents will change their mind you 3065 02:16:51,630 --> 02:16:50,170 know it's as simple as now on and and 3066 02:16:54,510 --> 02:16:51,640 it's something we have to be aware of 3067 02:16:56,160 --> 02:16:54,520 and again move on you know 3068 02:16:58,320 --> 02:16:56,170 why are you gonna waste your time trying 3069 02:17:01,980 --> 02:16:58,330 to convince somebody when no matter what 3070 02:17:04,920 --> 02:17:01,990 you say we'll do that you know so slide 3071 02:17:08,100 --> 02:17:04,930 with the gentlemen here in the UK firmly 3072 02:17:10,230 --> 02:17:08,110 believes in the alien autopsy film he's 3073 02:17:13,500 --> 02:17:10,240 not alone there's a small band of them 3074 02:17:16,500 --> 02:17:13,510 but they won't listen so if they won't 3075 02:17:18,330 --> 02:17:16,510 listen then I'm sorry gentlemen but you 3076 02:17:20,940 --> 02:17:18,340 know again I've got better things to do 3077 02:17:22,650 --> 02:17:20,950 with my time enough I'll move on all the 3078 02:17:25,020 --> 02:17:22,660 evidence that I've accumulated was 3079 02:17:25,710 --> 02:17:25,030 published in my book it's there if you 3080 02:17:28,140 --> 02:17:25,720 want to buy it 3081 02:17:30,150 --> 02:17:28,150 I'll even make it free to anyone the 3082 02:17:32,490 --> 02:17:30,160 cult ask me I'll send them a copy on 3083 02:17:35,160 --> 02:17:32,500 email you know it's as simple as that 3084 02:17:37,710 --> 02:17:35,170 I'm not paid by the government of being 3085 02:17:40,470 --> 02:17:37,720 accused of that in the past I'm some 3086 02:17:42,540 --> 02:17:40,480 kind of government informant I wish I 3087 02:17:44,850 --> 02:17:42,550 was you know I'm that age now I should 3088 02:17:47,040 --> 02:17:44,860 be drawing my pension where's my pension 3089 02:17:49,110 --> 02:17:47,050 it's not in my bank account which is 3090 02:17:51,450 --> 02:17:49,120 ironic because one the alien autopsy 3091 02:17:53,280 --> 02:17:51,460 film came out I was even accused of 3092 02:17:54,810 --> 02:17:53,290 being racist until his accomplice and 3093 02:17:57,330 --> 02:17:54,820 being on his payroll 3094 02:17:59,340 --> 02:17:57,340 again that was on his payroll I don't 3095 02:18:02,370 --> 02:17:59,350 which bank account he paid me to bill it 3096 02:18:07,410 --> 02:18:02,380 wasn't mine you know it's just nonsense 3097 02:18:09,990 --> 02:18:07,420 it really is you know that's it you're a 3098 02:18:11,520 --> 02:18:10,000 badge of honor that you're a government 3099 02:18:13,290 --> 02:18:11,530 agent because it means you have another 3100 02:18:14,850 --> 02:18:13,300 source of income hey that's good maybe 3101 02:18:16,920 --> 02:18:14,860 they're paying me enough money you know 3102 02:18:25,920 --> 02:18:16,930 another hundred thousand dollars a year 3103 02:18:29,550 --> 02:18:25,930 on the side that'd be nice you know 3104 02:18:32,820 --> 02:18:29,560 quite openly say on a video you know I 3105 02:18:38,750 --> 02:18:32,830 was inside inside of what you know like 3106 02:18:43,080 --> 02:18:38,760 I'm just retired I would you know I 3107 02:18:47,310 --> 02:18:43,090 worked in industry so it's a bizarre 3108 02:18:49,170 --> 02:18:47,320 part of the whole subject matter and you 3109 02:18:52,170 --> 02:18:49,180 know I would say the paranormal not just 3110 02:18:54,330 --> 02:18:52,180 use anything it's a it's a fact of life 3111 02:18:57,300 --> 02:18:54,340 we have to live with simple as that I 3112 02:18:59,370 --> 02:18:57,310 came across a passage in a jogger late 3113 02:19:00,990 --> 02:18:59,380 walking he was referring to someone he 3114 02:19:02,780 --> 02:19:01,000 didn't he didn't quote at least said 3115 02:19:06,680 --> 02:19:02,790 that a skeptic he noted that 3116 02:19:10,400 --> 02:19:06,690 that once a person accepts an unusual 3117 02:19:13,190 --> 02:19:10,410 belief that even if it's disproven that 3118 02:19:16,070 --> 02:19:13,200 their belief does not go back to the 3119 02:19:19,160 --> 02:19:16,080 baseline before so for example in George 3120 02:19:21,830 --> 02:19:19,170 Adamski they might grudgingly accept 3121 02:19:24,830 --> 02:19:21,840 that he was a hoaxer but they believed 3122 02:19:27,230 --> 02:19:24,840 the basic story that he said or at least 3123 02:19:31,310 --> 02:19:27,240 the possibility of a ambassador from 3124 02:19:34,910 --> 02:19:31,320 Venus so that's uh it seems to change 3125 02:19:36,530 --> 02:19:34,920 them fundamentally and especially if you 3126 02:19:40,400 --> 02:19:36,540 grow up with those beliefs it's really 3127 02:19:42,020 --> 02:19:40,410 hard for for someone to reset and say 3128 02:19:44,959 --> 02:19:42,030 well no this isn't true I mean it's 3129 02:19:46,839 --> 02:19:44,969 almost like a religious upbringing so if 3130 02:19:49,960 --> 02:19:46,849 I'm sure you've met people like that oh 3131 02:19:55,850 --> 02:19:53,090 from believing a whole range of things 3132 02:19:58,750 --> 02:19:55,860 that no matter what you say no matter 3133 02:20:01,640 --> 02:19:58,760 what proof you might offer for example 3134 02:20:04,370 --> 02:20:01,650 you know the mj-12 documents I think 3135 02:20:07,550 --> 02:20:04,380 they've been conclusively shown to be 3136 02:20:11,470 --> 02:20:07,560 fake but there are those that you know 3137 02:20:14,600 --> 02:20:11,480 oh yeah okay you know they make me fake 3138 02:20:16,940 --> 02:20:14,610 however I believe they were based on 3139 02:20:18,380 --> 02:20:16,950 real document so then we use that trick 3140 02:20:21,320 --> 02:20:18,390 it's like it's the same with the alien 3141 02:20:25,730 --> 02:20:21,330 autopsy film well yeah it may be a fake 3142 02:20:28,580 --> 02:20:25,740 but I really really did see a real film 3143 02:20:30,560 --> 02:20:28,590 and how do you remake you know how can 3144 02:20:32,270 --> 02:20:30,570 you win me in an argument like that they 3145 02:20:32,810 --> 02:20:32,280 they want to believe such things you 3146 02:20:36,470 --> 02:20:32,820 know 3147 02:20:39,740 --> 02:20:36,480 fair enough leave them to it it's a fact 3148 02:20:42,130 --> 02:20:39,750 of the subject I'm afraid and we have to 3149 02:20:46,700 --> 02:20:42,140 live with it there's a question that 3150 02:20:49,190 --> 02:20:46,710 from Angelo any asks when someone 3151 02:20:51,890 --> 02:20:49,200 presents a possible UFO case what do you 3152 02:20:54,080 --> 02:20:51,900 look for in terms of making sure it 3153 02:20:57,020 --> 02:20:54,090 isn't a waste of time how can you tell 3154 02:20:59,180 --> 02:20:57,030 if the person is not a cook or just 3155 02:21:01,190 --> 02:20:59,190 lacks critical thinking to determine if 3156 02:21:03,490 --> 02:21:01,200 something is truly anomalous and I want 3157 02:21:05,990 --> 02:21:03,500 to expand beyond that to ask you that 3158 02:21:08,720 --> 02:21:06,000 how do how do people interested in the 3159 02:21:11,870 --> 02:21:08,730 topic keep from investing and the wrong 3160 02:21:12,210 --> 02:21:11,880 authors and in cases like mj-12 or other 3161 02:21:15,120 --> 02:21:12,220 thing 3162 02:21:18,719 --> 02:21:15,130 occluded it so if you could just kind of 3163 02:21:21,420 --> 02:21:18,729 provide some guidance there isn't it's 3164 02:21:24,469 --> 02:21:21,430 not easy a lot it's down to experience I 3165 02:21:27,030 --> 02:21:24,479 mean I consider myself fortunate when I 3166 02:21:29,729 --> 02:21:27,040 you know began my involvement in this 3167 02:21:33,750 --> 02:21:29,739 subject and one of the things they they 3168 02:21:35,729 --> 02:21:33,760 they talked top it was to know your 3169 02:21:40,349 --> 02:21:35,739 location where you live to begin with 3170 02:21:43,349 --> 02:21:40,359 know where your local airport is and so 3171 02:21:46,650 --> 02:21:43,359 on and and also know something about the 3172 02:21:48,150 --> 02:21:46,660 night sky for example even in the UK now 3173 02:21:50,519 --> 02:21:48,160 if you get up early morning 3174 02:21:53,700 --> 02:21:50,529 you know the Venus Jupiter in 3175 02:21:58,139 --> 02:21:53,710 conjunction you know like the next to 3176 02:21:58,889 --> 02:21:58,149 each other in the millions of miles 3177 02:22:01,950 --> 02:21:58,899 apart 3178 02:22:05,010 --> 02:22:01,960 and things like that so it all depends 3179 02:22:07,290 --> 02:22:05,020 on what cap psyching is reported to you 3180 02:22:09,599 --> 02:22:07,300 in the first place for example I know 3181 02:22:12,929 --> 02:22:09,609 where the airport is if somebody reports 3182 02:22:15,120 --> 02:22:12,939 submitting in flashing lights and 15 3183 02:22:18,559 --> 02:22:15,130 it's probably the inbound from Spain yes 3184 02:22:21,150 --> 02:22:18,569 it's as simple as that you know I know 3185 02:22:25,620 --> 02:22:21,160 somebody's you know I got up this 3186 02:22:26,420 --> 02:22:25,630 morning at 4:30 to miss these two huge 3187 02:22:31,590 --> 02:22:26,430 lights 3188 02:22:33,750 --> 02:22:31,600 it's Jupiter and so on but you can also 3189 02:22:36,420 --> 02:22:33,760 have someone that is a little bit shall 3190 02:22:38,880 --> 02:22:36,430 we say eccentric but nonetheless he's 3191 02:22:41,670 --> 02:22:38,890 telling the truth so a lot of it is down 3192 02:22:44,990 --> 02:22:41,680 to experience and is dependent on the 3193 02:22:48,840 --> 02:22:45,000 this unit comes to you for example 3194 02:22:50,910 --> 02:22:48,850 photographs today you know just recently 3195 02:22:54,179 --> 02:22:50,920 about for whatever reason a number of 3196 02:22:56,280 --> 02:22:54,189 alleged UFO photographs come my way and 3197 02:22:58,469 --> 02:22:56,290 one of the things I've said is that you 3198 02:23:01,110 --> 02:22:58,479 know you must look upon them in its epic 3199 02:23:03,599 --> 02:23:01,120 manner because of the software that is 3200 02:23:05,130 --> 02:23:03,609 available for home computers and so on 3201 02:23:08,370 --> 02:23:05,140 that they can make all kinds of things 3202 02:23:11,400 --> 02:23:08,380 so you automatically enough instances in 3203 02:23:13,830 --> 02:23:11,410 my opinion take a skeptical stares 3204 02:23:16,349 --> 02:23:13,840 whereas in the past that wasn't possible 3205 02:23:19,889 --> 02:23:16,359 fake photographs of course it was that 3206 02:23:20,519 --> 02:23:19,899 bit more difficult and so it just 3207 02:23:24,960 --> 02:23:20,529 depends 3208 02:23:29,490 --> 02:23:24,970 this is how it is how 3209 02:23:32,290 --> 02:23:29,500 and how you investigate and you know 3210 02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:32,300 some of it is experienced right I've 3211 02:23:37,510 --> 02:23:34,010 been involved for a long time I have 3212 02:23:39,219 --> 02:23:37,520 made mistakes along the way but that's 3213 02:23:42,519 --> 02:23:39,229 because I'm human you know I'm not 3214 02:23:45,219 --> 02:23:42,529 perfect and people will perpetrate 3215 02:23:47,769 --> 02:23:45,229 hoaxes for whatever reason you know 3216 02:23:50,950 --> 02:23:47,779 there's a hundred and one reasons why 3217 02:23:53,830 --> 02:23:50,960 the people perpetrate a hoax you know 3218 02:23:57,490 --> 02:23:53,840 you have to be on your guard and be 3219 02:24:01,120 --> 02:23:57,500 cautious but nonetheless you know we 3220 02:24:03,040 --> 02:24:01,130 have to remember that yeah you know do 3221 02:24:05,110 --> 02:24:03,050 we have a responsibility to point them 3222 02:24:08,349 --> 02:24:05,120 in the right direction and we're all 3223 02:24:10,920 --> 02:24:08,359 about hanging up the mj-12 documents I 3224 02:24:14,050 --> 02:24:10,930 speak to Stanton Friedman for example 3225 02:24:16,840 --> 02:24:14,060 let's go into mj-12 and other stuff 3226 02:24:19,660 --> 02:24:16,850 there our next segment the Philip mantel 3227 02:24:27,429 --> 02:24:19,670 in Kirk Collins and Jean Steinberger in 3228 02:24:27,439 --> 02:24:32,461 thank you for listening to GCN 3229 02:24:40,020 --> 02:24:37,801 visit GP and live.com today as you know 3230 02:24:42,810 --> 02:24:40,030 neighbors web-hosting can be pretty 3231 02:24:46,081 --> 02:24:42,820 cheap but not all 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02:29:20,439 well yeah I mean he stands until this 3343 02:29:26,580 --> 02:29:23,229 day we'll we'll argue you know his case 3344 02:29:29,639 --> 02:29:26,590 that there are authentic despite all the 3345 02:29:32,429 --> 02:29:29,649 negative information about them that's 3346 02:29:37,200 --> 02:29:32,439 that's readily available similar rows 3347 02:29:43,110 --> 02:29:37,210 well you know and just recently I read a 3348 02:29:48,440 --> 02:29:43,120 quote in a newspaper saying that he had 3349 02:29:51,530 --> 02:29:48,450 it too feared with our space flights and 3350 02:29:55,230 --> 02:29:51,540 it's one of the reasons why half of the 3351 02:29:58,219 --> 02:29:55,240 missions to Mars have been a failure in 3352 02:30:00,630 --> 02:29:58,229 other words it wasn't down to equipment 3353 02:30:04,260 --> 02:30:00,640 you know they've been interviewed by the 3354 02:30:07,679 --> 02:30:04,270 aliens Thomas you I really did so I 3355 02:30:10,620 --> 02:30:07,689 emailed something and I sniff this 3356 02:30:14,010 --> 02:30:10,630 quotes it was correct and to my 3357 02:30:18,719 --> 02:30:14,020 amazement it said yes so there you go I 3358 02:30:20,370 --> 02:30:18,729 mean willing systems this bike makes a 3359 02:30:23,849 --> 02:30:20,380 we don't I think it's just part of human 3360 02:30:26,070 --> 02:30:23,859 nature we do you know I look upon my my 3361 02:30:27,690 --> 02:30:26,080 job was a UFO research it to try and do 3362 02:30:30,599 --> 02:30:27,700 the best job I can and make information 3363 02:30:32,340 --> 02:30:30,609 available and hopefully somebody 3364 02:30:34,290 --> 02:30:32,350 somewhere everybody able to make sense 3365 02:30:36,690 --> 02:30:34,300 of it yeah you know I'm not saying I can 3366 02:30:39,660 --> 02:30:36,700 I have my own opinions doesn't mean I'm 3367 02:30:41,250 --> 02:30:39,670 right boss I have my own conclusion they 3368 02:30:44,400 --> 02:30:41,260 have changed down the years and I'm sure 3369 02:30:47,910 --> 02:30:44,410 they'll change again before I shuffle 3370 02:30:50,340 --> 02:30:47,920 off this mortal coil but we shall see we 3371 02:30:52,980 --> 02:30:50,350 shall see but you're right you know no 3372 02:30:55,590 --> 02:30:52,990 matter what people like Stan who my you 3373 02:30:57,120 --> 02:30:55,600 know I know and respect will argue their 3374 02:30:59,519 --> 02:30:57,130 cause no matter what 3375 02:31:02,250 --> 02:30:59,529 simple as that I know I've been 3376 02:31:05,160 --> 02:31:02,260 following this thing for a long time and 3377 02:31:08,099 --> 02:31:05,170 I over the years have come to disbelieve 3378 02:31:10,620 --> 02:31:08,109 a lot of things in the UFO field that 3379 02:31:13,230 --> 02:31:10,630 I'm I've accepted early on because in 3380 02:31:16,020 --> 02:31:13,240 the early days you know I read 3381 02:31:19,160 --> 02:31:16,030 this stuff from major Donald Keough UFOs 3382 02:31:21,120 --> 02:31:19,170 or spaceships maybe they're from Mars 3383 02:31:22,860 --> 02:31:21,130 because they were talking about Mars 3384 02:31:25,830 --> 02:31:22,870 then no they're still we're talking 3385 02:31:28,440 --> 02:31:25,840 about the canals on Mars I think they 3386 02:31:30,690 --> 02:31:28,450 were steeped in the fiction writings of 3387 02:31:33,900 --> 02:31:30,700 Edgar Rice Burroughs and John Carter of 3388 02:31:36,801 --> 02:31:33,910 Mars and they were talking about this 3389 02:31:39,240 --> 02:31:36,811 stuff and even after we realized that 3390 02:31:41,580 --> 02:31:39,250 there's no evidence of life on Mars 3391 02:31:44,070 --> 02:31:41,590 except on the Supergirl TV show with the 3392 02:31:46,470 --> 02:31:44,080 Martian Manhunter character there's no 3393 02:31:48,631 --> 02:31:46,480 evidence of life on Mars oh by the way 3394 02:31:51,870 --> 02:31:48,641 they have them beneath of the surface of 3395 02:31:54,330 --> 02:31:51,880 the planet you know we still had the 3396 02:31:56,610 --> 02:31:54,340 theories voice by the people from the 3397 02:31:59,790 --> 02:31:56,620 50s like major Keyhoe nothing has 3398 02:32:02,671 --> 02:31:59,800 changed in the field we still talk about 3399 02:32:06,270 --> 02:32:02,681 disclosure do you think the government's 3400 02:32:08,850 --> 02:32:06,280 have anything whatever to disclose or 3401 02:32:10,680 --> 02:32:08,860 would they be put in the position where 3402 02:32:15,051 --> 02:32:10,690 they have no idea what's going on well 3403 02:32:17,280 --> 02:32:15,061 no I don't I mean disclosure chuckles I 3404 02:32:19,470 --> 02:32:17,290 may be fortunate because I've been 3405 02:32:21,511 --> 02:32:19,480 involved for so long but you have been 3406 02:32:24,150 --> 02:32:21,521 involved as long as I have you realize 3407 02:32:27,750 --> 02:32:24,160 that any inverted commas the disclosure 3408 02:32:30,330 --> 02:32:27,760 is was running circles I mean he pops up 3409 02:32:33,211 --> 02:32:30,340 maybe five or ten years not that long 3410 02:32:34,801 --> 02:32:33,221 ago it was operation right to know it 3411 02:32:37,171 --> 02:32:34,811 was the same thing it was disclosure 3412 02:32:40,591 --> 02:32:37,181 with a different name and it never comes 3413 02:32:44,100 --> 02:32:40,601 we know you know government secrets it 3414 02:32:46,830 --> 02:32:44,110 is there you keep secrets it's the way 3415 02:32:49,200 --> 02:32:46,840 government's to you know work but just 3416 02:32:52,860 --> 02:32:49,210 because something is kept see doesn't 3417 02:32:54,930 --> 02:32:52,870 mean anything I had a friend who worked 3418 02:32:58,230 --> 02:32:54,940 in a textile mill and they used to make 3419 02:33:01,020 --> 02:32:58,240 cloth and he told me he said I've signed 3420 02:33:03,810 --> 02:33:01,030 the Official Secrets Act what for he 3421 02:33:06,301 --> 02:33:03,820 made what he said yeah some of the cloth 3422 02:33:08,970 --> 02:33:06,311 we make is actually used in military 3423 02:33:11,610 --> 02:33:08,980 uniforms so we have to sign the Official 3424 02:33:13,140 --> 02:33:11,620 Secrets Act so just because it's a 3425 02:33:16,740 --> 02:33:13,150 secret doesn't mean there's anything 3426 02:33:20,700 --> 02:33:16,750 sinister behind it I mean our Official 3427 02:33:23,910 --> 02:33:20,710 Secrets Act was in for the first world 3428 02:33:26,551 --> 02:33:23,920 war you know 100 years ago so it's well 3429 02:33:27,059 --> 02:33:26,561 out but it is the duty of government 3430 02:33:29,219 --> 02:33:27,069 stick 3431 02:33:32,599 --> 02:33:29,229 keep secrets doesn't necessarily mean 3432 02:33:36,420 --> 02:33:32,609 there's anything sinister it's being my 3433 02:33:39,239 --> 02:33:36,430 conclusion that they know less or maybe 3434 02:33:43,139 --> 02:33:39,249 just as much as we do but certainly not 3435 02:33:45,119 --> 02:33:43,149 necessarily anymore I'm gonna defy all 3436 02:33:47,519 --> 02:33:45,129 the ring awaits us there is some 3437 02:33:50,250 --> 02:33:47,529 interest that items in it but it's clear 3438 02:33:52,139 --> 02:33:50,260 that the mod1 as baffled as the rest of 3439 02:33:56,069 --> 02:33:52,149 us because we don't have to be 3440 02:33:58,559 --> 02:33:56,079 investigate UFOs we investigate UFO 3441 02:34:01,109 --> 02:33:58,569 sighting that is a difference I can't 3442 02:34:03,420 --> 02:34:01,119 give you a UFO chaplain to investigate 3443 02:34:07,739 --> 02:34:03,430 and that's nothing I can show you under 3444 02:34:10,319 --> 02:34:07,749 the microscope but I can sightings the 3445 02:34:12,869 --> 02:34:10,329 two are entirely different and it's the 3446 02:34:14,189 --> 02:34:12,879 same with absolutely our government when 3447 02:34:16,500 --> 02:34:14,199 you look through their files they are 3448 02:34:18,290 --> 02:34:16,510 not only on the occasion when they have 3449 02:34:20,729 --> 02:34:18,300 taken an interest in certain events 3450 02:34:23,670 --> 02:34:20,739 they've got nothing that they can study 3451 02:34:25,949 --> 02:34:23,680 any differently than you or I can they 3452 02:34:28,679 --> 02:34:25,959 may have more resources and more money 3453 02:34:30,239 --> 02:34:28,689 but at the end of the day they do pretty 3454 02:34:32,689 --> 02:34:30,249 much the same as you or I would they 3455 02:34:37,699 --> 02:34:32,699 would speak to the witnesses and so on 3456 02:34:43,699 --> 02:34:40,910 so I don't know any more than US 3457 02:34:55,170 --> 02:34:43,709 [Music] 3458 02:34:57,300 --> 02:34:55,180 government they may be so really unless 3459 02:35:03,809 --> 02:34:57,310 you are of the opinion that they've got 3460 02:35:07,619 --> 02:35:03,819 resources and whatever else secret space 3461 02:35:10,109 --> 02:35:07,629 programs flying from Mars and everywhere 3462 02:35:12,059 --> 02:35:10,119 she believes that then fine but I can't 3463 02:35:16,099 --> 02:35:12,069 give you a piece of an alien spacecraft 3464 02:35:19,260 --> 02:35:18,479 we're about to run out of time so let me 3465 02:35:22,590 --> 02:35:19,270 just say this quickly 3466 02:35:24,779 --> 02:35:22,600 I am voiced the theory here that what we 3467 02:35:27,269 --> 02:35:24,789 see in terms of UFOs even if it 3468 02:35:29,699 --> 02:35:27,279 represents an alien technology is not 3469 02:35:31,800 --> 02:35:29,709 what they really are like that a 3470 02:35:34,500 --> 02:35:31,810 technology hundreds or thousands of 3471 02:35:38,189 --> 02:35:34,510 years beyond us we wouldn't even 3472 02:35:40,010 --> 02:35:38,199 recognize it be like magic as some 3473 02:35:43,740 --> 02:35:40,020 people have said 3474 02:35:47,340 --> 02:35:43,750 or in time with you Jean I mean it was 3475 02:35:49,050 --> 02:35:47,350 it Calistoga knows that I mean one of 3476 02:35:52,170 --> 02:35:49,060 the books that published UFOs who 3477 02:35:55,760 --> 02:35:52,180 Romania down said for example you know 3478 02:35:58,560 --> 02:35:55,770 if you put a TV in a in an ant colony 3479 02:36:00,150 --> 02:35:58,570 the ants would be aware of it and they 3480 02:36:03,270 --> 02:36:00,160 could crawl all over it and know that 3481 02:36:05,190 --> 02:36:03,280 something there but never in a zillion 3482 02:36:08,730 --> 02:36:05,200 years will be able to make any sense out 3483 02:36:11,160 --> 02:36:08,740 a we could be the you know that version 3484 02:36:13,890 --> 02:36:11,170 of the ants time so it was an 3485 02:36:17,490 --> 02:36:13,900 interesting way of looking at it so I 3486 02:36:20,420 --> 02:36:17,500 would agree with you yes well there you 3487 02:36:23,490 --> 02:36:20,430 go it would leave something just so 3488 02:36:26,850 --> 02:36:23,500 beyond our understandings so like in the 3489 02:36:29,730 --> 02:36:26,860 movie contact the aliens appear to us or 3490 02:36:33,210 --> 02:36:29,740 whatever the forces behind UFOs in a way 3491 02:36:36,510 --> 02:36:33,220 that we can understand or we are 3492 02:36:40,790 --> 02:36:36,520 interpreting what we see in a way if we 3493 02:36:43,500 --> 02:36:40,800 understand something that's bound or 3494 02:36:45,810 --> 02:36:43,510 somewhere else still remains to be seen 3495 02:36:48,120 --> 02:36:45,820 like weightless Reba said to me many 3496 02:36:50,340 --> 02:36:48,130 years ago we're learning to us best 3497 02:36:51,390 --> 02:36:50,350 questions feeling and I think it was was 3498 02:36:53,610 --> 02:36:51,400 exactly right 3499 02:36:56,640 --> 02:36:53,620 well maybe the problem we have with UFO 3500 02:36:58,469 --> 02:36:56,650 feel is we're asking the wrong questions 3501 02:37:00,030 --> 02:36:58,479 Philip mantle for those who want to find 3502 02:37:01,040 --> 02:37:00,040 out more about what you do where can 3503 02:37:04,050 --> 02:37:01,050 they check you out 3504 02:37:07,290 --> 02:37:04,060 you can find my blog just search flying 3505 02:37:09,480 --> 02:37:07,300 express I'm on there I'm on Facebook you 3506 02:37:12,090 --> 02:37:09,490 know I'm only regular you can easily 3507 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